Why can't Summoner Egi's look like this?

I was watching the new Extreme mode primals and noticed that they summon their own Egis. WTF!

They look far more cooler than what SMNs have. If those models are already in the game, why can't we have them? They could just make them smaller.

Even Yoshi made a quip in the last Live Letter:

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"as for titan egi, lots of people called them potatoes so I think they got mad."

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http://i.imgur.com/iBr3xjz.png

No thanks. I don't want egis to block my screen as it used to be in ffxi.

This again? /sigh

They are fine the way they are.

I'm looking forward to future egis.

Garuda is a bad example as she doesn't summon egis, she summons sisters. Been doing so since 1.0. And, really, they had to make the extreme primals harder somehow. I mean, Ifrit has a nail orgy and does the area burning circles more often. Titan, made harder, could only be to have a little mini-me running around.

Yes... I can get past the fact that they're floating/miniature/have no legs... but that glow... ugh.

Make them solid color and a little bigger and they'd look almost as cool as the Carbuncle.

What he's talking about is a Summoner being able to summon mini primals like how the extreme mode Primals summon mini versions of themselves

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Originally Posted by Gucci_Gabbana

No thanks. I don't want egis to block my screen as it used to be in ffxi.

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How would it block your screen if it looked just like the primal but shrunk down to egi size like people suggest? Do the egis block your screen? People just hate the aesthetic design of the egis - they look like FF11 elementals.

What EGI look like right now...

Titan

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1627/2lix.jpg


It actually just a Popcorn.

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8599/f64z.jpg

Garuda

http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Garuda-Egi.jpg

It's just really an anorexia bat.

http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/rune...-green_bat.jpg

Ifrit
http://zam.zamimg.com/images/1/b/1bc...210491474a.jpg


It actually just a Fish.

http://images.nationalgeographic.com...78_600x450.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gucci_Gabbana

No thanks. I don't want egis to block my screen as it used to be in ffxi.

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This is seriously the weakest argument to this kind of suggestion. As far out as we can freaking zoom and as easily as we can change camera angles in this game, it is nothing like FFXI in terms of potential to block your screen. What happens when a monster aggroes you from behind in a dungeon? You change up your angle to include both. It's not that difficult. Hell, Garuda stays as far back as she possibly can anyway.

I'd hate to think the reason SMN can't have pets with better details and slightly larger sizes is because of that reason. It's a pet class...I want it to focus on the pets. Ugh. But that's a soap-box for another day.

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Originally Posted by Gucci_Gabbana

No thanks. I don't want egis to block my screen as it used to be in ffxi.

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They hardly blocked your screen in XI unless you were tossing summoners at something for easy mode lol.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...202_222212.png

See? The person that took this picture..yep their view was COMPLETELY blocked. Yep.

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Originally Posted by Gucci_Gabbana

No thanks. I don't want egis to block my screen as it used to be in ffxi.

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They don't have to be big. They can remain the exact same size as they're now only with the detail shown above.

I have to admit that the reason I wont be a summoner is due to how the egis look.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

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Surrounded by naked bird-woman and Taru onlookers. I'm not sure if I'm jealous or sympathetic of Odin..

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

They don't have to be big. They can remain the exact same size as they're now only with the detail shown above.

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As much as I dislike the Egis, personally I think teeny tiny versions of the actual primals would look ridiculous.

If I was in charge I would've just given Summoner some non-primals that are also FF nostalgia bait to summon since they had to go and make different models anyway. Like they could've had you summon Salamander instead of Ifrit-Egi. Then they can give you a couple big summons to serve as the SMN LB and satisfy pretty much everyone, but that would've taken a lot more effort.

I do agree with the OP on this one. I don't mind that the egi's look the way they are. However, it's the fact that in the Titan fight, the clone in Titan EX is Egi size AND looks like Titan...

I rather have the Titan that looks like Titan.

People who thought summons in XI blocked your screen are completely delusional. They were far less obtrusive than BLMs casting flare or WHMs casting holy or medica.

I'm sorry but when you are making iconic classes and then go and add in cheap summon models instead of the real thing, its just sad. At least match what you did in FFXI.



-Person who was going to roll SMN but saw egis and decided not to

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Originally Posted by Gucci_Gabbana

No thanks. I don't want egis to block my screen as it used to be in ffxi.

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stop playing ffxiv on a ... gameboy-sized screen? ^^

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Originally Posted by Nofacekiller

People who thought summons in XI blocked your screen are completely delusional. They were far less obtrusive than BLMs casting flare or WHMs casting holy or medica.

I'm sorry but when you are making iconic classes and then go and add in cheap summon models instead of the real thing, its just sad. At least match what you did in FFXI.



-Person who was going to roll SMN but saw egis and decided not to

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Some people are just droning sycophants who just blindly repeat "The status quo is perfect." like a mantra. The same people who say "Egis cant be bigger, they'd block the screen!" also claim there's nothing wrong with animation/flash spam in large scale events. If Yoshi-P in the next Live Letter said he changed his mind and was making Egis into scaled down version of the Primals, these same people would also change their mind on the issue.

Free Company Summoning system.... It's coming!

The Egis look pretty bad. Last time I said this, mod deleted my message. So I guess I'll just say it again: they're dumb. They're terrible. They're... amusing and cartoony.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

I was watching the new Extreme mode primals and noticed that they summon their own Egis. WTF!

They look far more cooler than what SMNs have. If those models are already in the game, why can't we have them? They could just make them smaller.

Even Yoshi made a quip in the last Live Letter:



http://i.imgur.com/iBr3xjz.png

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Yes a little bigger or more detail on them would be nice or just like this on the image so cool!

Yes. Yes, to better detailed/colored/bigger Egis.

But... the answer is no. Yoshi-P already said he hates the way FFXI did summons, and will not do it that way because my guess is... it's how he personally feels.

I understand he's the director for XIV:ARR.... but I mean really? It just seems so petty to want to do that, granted I will admit I don't have a quote at this moment in time to back up where he said this, I'd have to find it, if I can find it. If anyone knows where he specifically said this please feel free to help a fellow SMN out hahaha...

Any who, yes I think this is one think the Devs and Yoshi-P should listen to from the community. The positives for this kind of change far out weigh the negatives, that includes "time spent" on developing this too...

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Even if the egis didnt look exactly like the Primals and remained the same size, I think a substantial number of people seem to think there's room for improvement on the aesthetic design of the egis.

Currently they look like poorly textured elemental minion pets. Does anyone see a summoner's egi and think "Wow, so cool!"?

I'll repeat myself as a broken record.

Add in these models as "vanity" and let Summoners decide which model to use. If they are post-poning vanity until 2.2 or 2.3 they may as well include pet jobs vanity fully.

Makes no sense at all to have this in the game, but cut it off from customers with the argument "1 guy at the office don't like the idea so we are not doing it".

I think the egis are cute lol... It's all a matter of opinion... I just know that seeing 9999 original garudas around the screen like the FFXI pic someone posted before would look a bit silly IMO lol...

I like it the way it is.

Also storywise - Don't primals exsist just one in the whole world? So it won't make sense for those who are into the story to have many Garudas running around...

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Originally Posted by Razzle

Also storywise - Don't primals exsist just one in the whole world? So it won't make sense for those who are into the story to have many Garudas running around...

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Why is it... when this thread pops up, there are those who think that those of us who want better Egis want "Primals". We do not want Primals lol.... we just want better/bigger/more detailed Egis. /sigh

Also story wise..... it would make sense want to know why?

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In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will.

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs/content

SE really shot themselves in the foot with this whole lore....

A part of me doesn't want to be a summoner because of the Egis details. I mean c'mon, making them a bit bigger and giving them a bit more detail would be nice....

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

Why is it... when this thread pops up, there are those who think that those of us who want better Egis want "Primals". We do not want Primals lol.... we just want better/bigger/more detailed Egis. /sigh

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I was commenting on those that do want mini primals, you're not talking for everyone XP /sigh

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

Also story wise..... it would make sense want to know why?


http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs/content

SE really shot themselves in the foot with this whole lore....

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English is not my first language and I'm no expert in it, but as far as I can tell, it can also mean Primals as in: Ifrit, Garuda and Titan, and not Ifrit, ifrit, and... Ifrit! So we won't know what SE meant by "Primals" until they clarify that one XP

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Originally Posted by Razzle

I was commenting on those that do want mini primals, you're not talking for everyone XP /sigh

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Copy cat much? I've never once seen but maybe two-three people in all of the threads like this ask for full Primal aesthetics and I didn't see anyone in this thread in particular ask for them either.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

English is not my first language and I'm no expert in it, but as far as I can tell, it can also mean Primals as in: Ifrit, Garuda and Titan, and not Ifrit, ifrit, and... Ifrit! So we won't know what SE meant by "Primals" until they clarify that one XP

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Ok understandable, but it still said "Primal" a primal is a primal no matter which one it is. So they are saying in that bit of lore they have provided themselves that in the past, Summoners could summon Ifrit or Garuda or Titan if they wanted to as well as transmute their essence into Egi forms.

Again I am not asking for full primal powers or aesthetics at all, just to clarify.

When I first saw them I thought they were minions. When I found out they were summoned creatures I became a white mage instead.

They just don't have that WOW factor that most summons have in other games.

when I first started playing FFXIV, my thought when I saw the egis was that they were like the elemental summons from FFXI and that you would get something better.. then I learned that those are the primal summons. I was a little disappointed. but I got over it. Probably not going to play smn because of it though. Stupid reason? undoubtedly. It just doesn't have the thrill it did in FFXI.

Even standing outside in Jeuno casting and dismissing summons was somewhat entertaining because of the different summons.

Technically, the ability to summon the Primals isn't the ability to control them.
Beastmen Summoners are calling the Primals that we fight, but they don't control them.
Transmuting their essences into Egis would let you control what was summoned. Which is what we do.

I like the Egi's. Not enough to want to main a Summoner. but i like em well enough.

I would certainly like to be able to have different kinds of Egi for the same Primal.
As an example, maybe an option like our Battle Effects option, with several different models to display depending on which option you have selected.
So say Option {1} is the current Garuda-Egi. Option {2} would be like the XI one.

With a setup like that, you wouldn't overly tax a low spec PC by forcing it to render a number of complex pet models on top of player models. The low spec PC (or preference) would just use a different display method for the Egis.

I know the lore specifically states that we aren't summoning them, rather we're just drawing power from them or something, hence the form the Egis take. We understand this, but that doesn't really help alleviate the design issue with the Egis.

Thankfully I've never been interested in Summoner in most FF games, excluding the Tactics ones. If I were, I'd definitely be disappointed with the Egis. Look at Carbuncle, he's cute, but he doesn't look like a crystalized mess.

edit: I know Carbuncle isn't a primal, but he is basically your summon/minion, same as the pixies.