Let the players help remove BOT's from the MB.

My thoughts is that if anyone we blacklisted also did not show up in MB searches it might help reduce some impact BOT users may have on the MB. Just remove any account that we have blacklisted form all MB searches.

Now their is no assurance that the same account would be used to post and spam ad's , but I know I have found at least 2 retainers with the same name as a first name on my Blist that have bot like activity on the MB. Not common names, actually random lettering so close enough to draw conclusions. I am sure I could find more if I actually tried to find them.

What is to stop people from just clearing their banlist when they need some cheap shards? You know there are those that would do that.

Probably nothing would prevent that. It would be easy to see who was supporting them tho and who was not.

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Originally Posted by Darkwerk

My thoughts is that if anyone we blacklisted also did not show up in MB searches it might help reduce some impact BOT users may have on the MB. Just remove any account that we have blacklisted form all MB searches.

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That is not how blacklist work or should be working.
Nice try though.

Saying it is not how it works is only stating the obvious. Weather or not it should work that way is the question I raised..Thanks for the recap tho.

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Saying it is not how it works is only stating the obvious. Weather or not it should work that way is the question I raised..Thanks for the recap tho.

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The mechanism of blacklist is not by design extending, or should be extended to the side function you suggested.
People using blacklist to mute RMT accounts is just a workaround to deal with RMT spamming.
Please try another route.

Ok so you disagree. Care to elaborate on why we should not blacklist sales from RMT? I mean IRL i would not do business with someone I wouldn't speak to. I mean sure currently their is no hook in the Blist function that links it to the MB search, but their could be. It seems pretty logical ,and could be one of the best anti rmt tools ever.

The replys on this just showed people don't want to get spam from RMT but they DO love the benefit of the cheap shard from the RMT's bots.
RMT just dropped the price of philo mats to 15k last weekend on my server and people are forced to match them or their sale will tank. I can't say I am unhappy about this because I am on the side of the demand and now I can make full 70HQ set for all 9 jobs. But this certainly will ruin the dungeon grinders' income and I think SE is responsible to stop it and make the game fair to every single player.

Personally I almost never use my blacklist in an mmo. This one has been a noticeable exception. But I can agree if I actually take the time to blist a player I would have absolutely np with blist'ing their retainers also. Normally takes a lot to make my blacklist so yeah I would absolutely love if that included not buying their stuff, even if it was cheaper.

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The replys on this just showed people don't want to get spam from RMT but they DO love the benefit of the cheap shard from the RMT's bots.

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I am assuming I am one of the replies you mentioned.
No, I never buy shards.

Most of the times, the RMT spammers are lvl 1 and can't have retainers if I'm not mistaken. I wasn't able to get my retainers until I progressed to some point the game. They also get banned quickly so they just continuously remake lvl 1's to spam you. So blacklisting them makes no difference even if it linked to their retainers, if they even had any.

Logically, the bots farming will funnel the gil to a few secure sources which don't spam people anyways. Black listing the bots would be pointless.

Adding this feature is only going to get it abused. If the server doesn't like someone, we could just black list him/her. Sad but true.

That's an interesting take...didn't manage to see it that way.

True a lot if not most spammers might be lvl 1. I know in the case of my 2 examples it would have helped most likely . Maybe the idea will give someone a batter idea if not being the solution.Idk.

the only way for players to remove bots (for now) from MB is by hunting the farming bots (report them), however they can transfer the farmed goods to other char for storage and selling...attacking their farmers can reduce their income, we need sentinels to watch for BOT omg >.<

RMT bot have infiltrate and become a part of economy in this game, every crafting use shards and they have crytal farming bots all over the server. and most ppl that craft buys their shards and contributing to RMT. yesterday i found a FC of RMT farmers all lvl 50, some maybe spammer with low lvl, i dont know what SE can do to stop them and prevent the game economy from collapse.

however, its not so hard, ppl just need to farm crystal for themselves again :)

I have said it before and will say again make Shard's,Crystal's,Cluster's Untradable.
Problem Solved until they start to mine other materials and crash that market :)

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I have said it before and will say again make Shard's,Crystal's,Cluster's Untradable.
Problem Solved until they start to mine other materials and crash that market :)

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This forces people to play a disciple of land. This would anger a ton of players having to level a DOL just to play a DOH. You can't play a DOH, AT ALL, without having a DOL.

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This forces people to play a disciple of land. This would anger a ton of players having to level a DOL just to play a DOH. You can't play a DOH, AT ALL, without having a DOL.

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Then i would suggest the people that only want to level DOH and not level DOL are the one's buying the shards from the Market Board and thus feeding the RMT seller's.

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Then i would suggest the people that only want to level DOH and not level DOL are the one's buying the shards from the Market Board and thus feeding the RMT seller's.

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We need to understand that its not only shards that RMT are making money off of. Locking them out of shards will just shift them from that market to the next one. The vicious cycle repeats every time we lock them out of a certain market.

Your wanting to prolong or stop their advance but it does nothing of that sort. At the same time, specifically for shards, we force people to play DOL in order to play DOH thinking that we have prolonged or stopped the RMT's. When in reality that doesn't do anything of that sort. As long as something can be crafted or gathered and sold, RMTs will exist. As long as their is a market/economy in any MMO they will feed RMT sellers.

Your approach is a double negative with no positive gain.

You could possibly argue that it would be one less market they could be in but at the same time, that means, they now have more bots to farm other markets, dropping the value of every other item. For every item we make account bound, we can expect the value of everything else to continue to drop as they farm an overwhelming surplus of goods. Again this is another negative.

It would be wise to look into the situation carefully before suggesting ideas. Its a good concept on the outside but the internal design is too flawed. A multi-billion dollar industry could easily figure out these points, cause if they couldn't, they wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar industry today.

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That is why i said "Problem Solved until they start to mine other materials and crash that market" in my original Post ;)

Unfortunately you can't even see the farm bots anymore you just see their insta-gathering at nodes randomly and never even see their names

The easiest way to see the bot users is to look at what they are selling, if you see a retainer selling 10 stacks of x99 alumen or 10 stacks of x99 fleece then they probably bot. So skip them and move down to the next person. Sure you might be paying more but screw the bot farmers cause in the end, they are the people who will turn your gil into real $$$ through their stupid spam tell websites...