BLM's Losing Flare> Convert> Flare

So I get that it was a "buglol" as they are calling it, but taking away a situational trick is really necessary?

You know what will happen? Now people will just take 2x BLM in WP SRs (if that's still viable)


Bard is losing 1 cross-class ability

and BLM is either prob going to have a CD on Flare or lose Convert, Sounds like we might have gotten the biggest nerf.

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

So I get that it was a "buglol" as they are calling it, but taking away a situational trick is really necessary?

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Yes fixing bugs are necessary - no BLMs aren't nerfed as they aren't losing anything as an intended function.

What it was a bug? You can only use it like so less. If they are going to nerv that I demand a nerf of the WHM Holy spell. And not only in Damage but CD also. God dang it.

eh the bug is that you could actually if timed right could do flare out of umbral ice still get a tic mp and do another fast casted flare. has nothing to do with convert

Yeah, you will still be able to Flare > Convert/Pot/Ballad > Flare, without issue. The bug is as Stark said.

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

So I get that it was a "buglol" as they are calling it, but taking away a situational trick is really necessary?

You know what will happen? Now people will just take 2x BLM in WP SRs (if that's still viable)


Bard is losing 1 cross-class ability

and BLM is either prob going to have a CD on Flare or lose Convert, Sounds like we might have gotten the biggest nerf.

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yes indeed

Convert: lose some HP to recover MP.
Flare: use all your remaining MP to deal area damage.
Swiftcast: next spell with a casting time executes instantly.

Where's the bug into using them together? I'm sure everyone thought it was the intended combo, lol.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

That was not the unintended use. From what I understand, this is what the unintended use is:

1. Blizzard III (or Blizzard II if you are in melee range)
2. Flare III at the reduced casting time granted from Umbral Ice
3. Because there was a slight delay in Umbral Ice being overwritten by the Astral Fire from Flare, if it was timed correctly you would get a pulse of mp from Umbral Ice after Flare was cast and before Umbral Ice was overwritten. <-- This is the unintended step.
4. Swiftcast if up and cast Flare a second time.
5. Convert if up and cast Flare a third time.
6. Repeat.

That's three flares all within seconds of eachother. Since it is possible to cast a Flare every 7 or 8 seconds, it was potentially allowing two Flares every 7 to 8 seconds, with a third Flare once a minute. What they're doing is removing the capability of doing step 3, since that was unintended. All the other steps will still be there. I.e. It will still be possible to cast a Flare every 7 to 8 seconds and to chain two Flares back to back once a minute.

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Ooh, that.

I wonder if they'll be fixing the "abuse" where you can cast two fire spells with increased speed from Umbral III.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Yeah, you will still be able to Flare > Convert/Pot/Ballad > Flare, without issue. The bug is as Stark said.

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Black Mage:
While we focused on buffing the melee DPS classes/jobs for this patch, we do not have any plans to buff the black mage job. On a side note, there was a bug that caused players to be able to use flare twice in a row, but that will be addressed.


Hmm Well I would like some confirmation here, as the 1 tick of ice really doesn't seem that OP to me either

If I'm not adding flare in with my fire spells, I'll cast it when about to rehash the cycle and gain mana back. So switch to umbral ice, cast flare and sometimes I'd still have mana and get another a flare in back to back without needing to switch to umbral ice or convert. It usually messes my rotation up so I don't mind a fix.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Convert: lose some HP to recover MP.
Flare: use all your remaining MP to deal area damage.
Swiftcast: next spell with a casting time executes instantly.

Where's the bug into using them together? I'm sure everyone thought it was the intended combo, lol.

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That was not the unintended use. From what I understand, this is what the unintended use is:

1. Blizzard III (or Blizzard II if you are in melee range)
2. Flare at the reduced casting time granted from Umbral Ice
3. Because there was a slight delay in Umbral Ice being overwritten by the Astral Fire from Flare, if it was timed correctly you would get a pulse of mp from Umbral Ice after Flare was cast and before Umbral Ice was overwritten. <-- This is the unintended step.
4. Swiftcast if up and cast Flare a second time.
5. Convert if up and cast Flare a third time.
6. Repeat.

That's three flares all within seconds of eachother. Since it is possible to cast a Flare every 7 or 8 seconds, it was potentially allowing two Flares every 7 to 8 seconds, with a third Flare once a minute. What they're doing is removing the capability of doing step 3, since that was unintended. All the other steps will still be there. I.e. It will still be possible to cast a Flare every 7 to 8 seconds and to chain two Flares back to back once a minute.

There is no bug with flare, swift cast, convert, flare, transpose. They are not changing this combo of ours and our ability to do this every 3 min. What they are fixing is the fact that We can swift cast, flare, transpose/umbral, flare, (free mana tick), flare, transpose, flare, (free mana tick), flare, until the thing is dead. It isn't a significant increase in dps so don't concern yourself with this fix. Get your facts right before your QQ please OP.

Or the version the poster above me posted.

Seriously? So what if we were able to cast flare twice in a row. I'd call it even for the fact we can't even move when spell casting like all the melee dps, or BRD. Not to mention they want to take away the one part that makes a BLM feel like a BLM with it's destructive power.

Ignorant OP makes ignorant thread.

You could have at least checked what the issue was before jumping to conclusions.

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

Black Mage:
While we focused on buffing the melee DPS classes/jobs for this patch, we do not have any plans to buff the black mage job. On a side note, there was a bug that caused players to be able to use flare twice in a row, but that will be addressed.


Hmm Well I would like some confirmation here, as the 1 tick of ice really doesn't seem that OP to me either

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Why thehell do you ask for confirmation, when all you did was make assumptions based on nothing but "Yoshi said there is a bug with BLM using 2 Flares"...

People told you what the bug was...and it clearly is the more obvious "real bug" than just using Convert and Flare again...so you better get confirmation for your assumption before spreading BS.

poor op.. i wont add more to the fire. but ill just say, using a pot to cast another flare, is not a bug, using convert to cast another flare is not a bug. I doubt Yoshi is dumb to be like yerr derrr dem blm cannot du 2 flares wit covert or a mana plot cuz dats a bug deerrr i dont kneo how to mak a garm. Seriously op you didnt think this out at all, you never went to the Dps fourms and check out what blm have been doing to double flare /without/ convert or a mana pot? n if your wondering an elixier and up can give you enough mana for a flare.

Sheesh if i were you id rename this thread cuz darn