SCH DPS spell selection

Total potency

• Bio II: 0 initial potency + 350 potency over 30 seconds = 350
• Miasma: 20 initial potency + 280 potency over 24 seconds = 300
• Bio: 0 initial potency + 240 potency over 18 seconds = 240
• Thunder: 30 initial potency + 210 potency over 18 seconds = 240
• Shadow Flare: (0 initial potency + 250 potency over 30 seconds) / (3.0/2.5 corrective for cast time) = 208
• Aero: 50 initial potency + 150 potency over 18 seconds = 200
• Miasma II: 20 initial potency + 50 potency over 15 seconds = 70
• Energy Drain: 150
• Ruin II/Ruin: 80

DoT's damage per second

• Bio: 240 / (18 sec duration + 2.5 sec cooldown) = 11.7
• Thunder: 240 / 20.5 = 11.7
• Miasma: 300 / 26.5 = 11.3
• Bio II: 350 / 32.5 = 9.9
• Aero: 200/20.5 = 9.8
• Shadow Flare: 300 / 30.5 = 7.5
• Miasma II: 70 / 17.5 = 4

Considerations:

• Bio, Aero, Miasma II, and Ruin II have instant cast times on the global cooldown.
• Miasma II is AoE across 5y, so it beats Ruin spam at 2 targets and is a viable DoT at 3 targets.
• Shadow Flare can inflict a Slow effect, and will replace Sacred Soil if it is in effect.
• Bane will generally yield higher damage for your aetherflow charge than Energy Drain as long as Bio/Miasma/Bio II have more than 6 seconds remaining.

When you don't have global cooldowns to spare, use the total potency chart to pick your spell.

When you can afford to apply DoTs back-to-back and time is an issue, use the damage per second chart.

* This thread was inspired by the WHM DPS spell thread. I could not find any of this same information from the SMN threads, so please let me know if anything is incorrect.

My rotation:
Bio II -> Miasma -> Bio -> Bane -> Thunder -> Aero -> Swiftcast -> Shadowflare -> Miasma II -> \tabTarget Thunder or spam Ruin.

Thunder: 30 initial potency + 210 potency over 18 seconds = 240
Aero: 50 initial potency + 150 potency over 18 seconds = 200

I always try to make sure that I'm always ready to switch back to healing ASAP, so I favor the stuff that are instant-cast. I find it's all situational, really. If we are running into three or more enemies, I'll take the time to throw up Shadow Flare first, then heal whatever damage has happened, then throw on Cleric Stance and go Areo - Bio - Ruin II. If everyone is fine and no serious damage has been taken, I move onto Thunder - Bio II - Miasma - and another Ruin II. By then there is usually damage needing to be healed even in the more bulky of parties, so I'll throw off Cleric Stance and go back to healing.

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Shadow Flare can inflict a Slow effect, and will replace Sacred Soil if it is in effect.

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This is important to know. Though generally it's not a game breaker in most cases, the game doesn't really tell you this.

I'm glad to see the numbers run here because I feel Bio is under appreciated. It doesn't seem too powerful at first glance but it adds up so quickly if the DoTs are refreshed efficiently but it gets left to run out so often. :(

During trash pulls, I find that the tank will drop rather quickly until I pull up Shadow Flare. That slow effect can make a surprising amount of difference, not to mention the DoT effect tacked on.

Rotation of mine : Bio II Miasma Bio swiftcast + bane thunder aero and spam of energy drain + ruin 2 (single target obviously)

Went up to 270 dps with that on last boss in AK. But its just stupid that your dps pretty much rely on crit RNG. If you got 20%+ crit overall and a bard in your group it will grant you good support dps, otherwise ... not so much

Is it even realistically possible to gets all of the ticks from a DoT spell? Due to the global timer.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Is it even realistically possible to gets all of the ticks from a DoT spell? Due to the global timer.

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Yuri has tested it and the game seems to wait until the next global tic to apply the DoT or start the countdown, one of the two, so you always get your full amount of damage.

Also, thanks for all the DPS information Yuri, it will be very helpful for a few FC members as I don't play SCH.

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Originally Posted by Delvish

During trash pulls, I find that the tank will drop rather quickly until I pull up Shadow Flare. That slow effect can make a surprising amount of difference, not to mention the DoT effect tacked on.

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Considering that Shadow Flare has twice the duration of Sacred Soil, it has very good utility due to the slow debuff effect, and decent damage mitigation due to slow.

A 5% extension on cast bars means more time for melee/tanks to dodge telegraphed abilities, which can be very useful.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Yuri has tested it and the game seems to wait until the next global tic to apply the DoT or start the countdown, one of the two, so you always get your full amount of damage.

Also, thanks for all the DPS information Yuri, it will be very helpful for a few FC members as I don't play SCH.

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I haven't actually done definitive testing, it's just my observation that debuffs/buffs wait a second to become applied and then begin ticking for its full duration.

It wouldn't be that hard to test, I suppose. Cast Bio a dozen times or so, and see if it ticks the HP down exactly 6 times every time.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Thunder: 30 initial potency + 210 potency over 18 seconds = 240
Aero: 50 initial potency + 150 potency over 18 seconds = 200

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Don't know why I forgot to include this. Will edit original post. Thanks.

Also a fun fact, SCH DoTs do 10% more damage than an equally geared SMN because of the +10% attack boost by Cleric Stance.

Thanks for the summary :)

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Originally Posted by JonFarron

Also a fun fact, SCH DoTs do 10% more damage than an equally geared SMN because of the +10% attack boost by Cleric Stance.

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If the SMN only uses the same skills as the sch and doesn't uses his pet. Fester and the DPS pet, with an extra damage buff, adds a nice amount of damage. Plus SMN has Raging strikes, mixed with gardua pet, this increases your DoT damage by a ton.

So, not fun fact. Fun half truth.

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Originally Posted by Klive

If the SMN only uses the same skills as the sch and doesn't uses his pet. Fester and the DPS pet, with an extra damage buff, adds a nice amount of damage. Plus SMN has Raging strikes, mixed with gardua pet, this increases your DoT damage by a ton.

So, not fun fact. Fun half truth.

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WOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Originally Posted by Klive

If the SMN only uses the same skills as the sch and doesn't uses his pet. Fester and the DPS pet, with an extra damage buff, adds a nice amount of damage. Plus SMN has Raging strikes, mixed with gardua pet, this increases your DoT damage by a ton.

So, not fun fact. Fun half truth.

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People must be out of their freaking minds if they think that SCH does the damage that a SMN does. Why would people ask for smn if you could run 4 SCH per party? IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. The damage is decent, but it's not SMN damage.

He just said you get a 10% damage boost, relax lol.

I try always to start with Shadowflare specially on trash mobs, Bio2-Miasma-Bio1-Bane-Aero or/and Thunder for single target instead of Base I use Energy Drain/Virus or Rouse/Aetherflow as I see fit. Keep in mind while I do that through macros I spam embrace with my fairy + Cleric Stance reduces healing of the sch not the Fairy and Lustrate recovers 20% of the target s HP regardless of the stance. Altho you are a healer so keeping everyone alive it s still a top priority cheers :D