Relics , are not relices anymore

It must be difficult to get and no other weapon is greater than them..

Half of our ppl in my server have relicS and Allagan is better atm and moogle google is going to be better soon ...

yea, maknig moogle ilvl 80 was a little silly....

To be fair, they stopped being relics the moment people started doing titan sells/carries.

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Originally Posted by Aerostein

To be fair, they stopped being relics the moment people started doing titan sells/carries.

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Yup, this is the problem, and the reason they are making the changes they are. SE themselves said they are too common, something this common cannot be "the best"

Please tell me, when has SE EVER referred to any armor in the game as relic armor?

In ARR relics(as they are now) are really the beginning of your endgame weapon quest. Don't jump the gun.

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Originally Posted by Aerostein

To be fair, they stopped being relics the moment people started doing titan sells/carries.

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Titan? Like, really?

There's a whole quest that you must do to get your Relic weapon. Don't blame Titan, blame the whole quest. It's too easy and fast to do. I'm not going to defend the 1.0 quest but it was harder and more time-consuming as to what we have now; that's why relics weren't as common as they are in ARR. The relic quest in this game is a joke. And it's kinda silly that the only hard part of the whole thing is Titan.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Please tell me, when has SE EVER referred to any armor in the game as relic armor?

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You do realize the name of the quest to obtain the relic weapons is "A Relic Reborn" right?

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Please tell me, when has SE EVER referred to any armor in the game as relic armor?

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The thread is about relic weapons. And if that is what you meant: see quest name.

http://i.imgur.com/zx3SG5V.jpg

Sorry :(

To be fair you still have to put a monumental amount of effort into getting a relic if it's your first one. Obviously people who are already geared, rich, know the game, etc., will have no problems gearing up their other classes with relics, but a new player is still going to have to put a lot of effort into it if they want their first relic.

And obviously the relic was never intended to be the only weapon you will ever have. I'd like to think that come 2.2 there will be weapons better than relic+1 that people can aim for.

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Originally Posted by Kaizlu

Titan? Like, really?

There's a whole quest that you must do to get your Relic weapon. Don't blame Titan, blame the whole quest. It's too easy and fast to do. I'm not going to defend the 1.0 quest but it was harder and more time-consuming as to what we have now; that's why relics weren't as common as they are in ARR. The relic quest in this game is a joke. And it's kinda silly that the only hard part of the whole thing is Titan.

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Exactly. You are adding to my point whether you know it or not. lol

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

http://i.imgur.com/zx3SG5V.jpg

Sorry :(

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Are you serious? Its not about being special or whatever....its about SE gimping the meaning behind the relic weapons. In previous FF (not just ffxi) relics were the most difficult to get yet most rewarding.

Did you play any of the other FF games?

Imagine playing any ff and getting masamune, Excalibur, gae bolg etc in the early part of the game -_- they are meant to be iconic and THE best...period. This has nothing to do with feeling special...well at least not to me anyway.

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

To be fair you still have to put a monumental amount of effort into getting a relic if it's your first one. Obviously people who are already geared, rich, know the game, etc., will have no problems gearing up their other classes with relics, but a new player is still going to have to put a lot of effort into it if they want their first relic.

And obviously the relic was never intended to be the only weapon you will ever have. I'd like to think that come 2.2 there will be weapons better than relic+1 that people can aim for.

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I do believe it is intended to be the best. In 1.0 interviews about 2.0 yoshida said in 2.0 relic is meant to be the best and we will get quests to improve it into the legendary weapon slowly over time...just Google ffxiv legendary weapon its easy to find.

To be honest they added relics way too early or should have atleast tied it to coil, were now in a situation were they either drop relics all together or every other patch add a way to +1 it constantly (if they want to keep relics BiS).

Personally I would rather they just drop the idea all together, the idea of a relic weapon doesnt fit well in a game where gear progression is the thing its based on.

They are buffing alagan gear from BCB on 2.1 release, so il95 from twintania will be better than +1.......

Well at least with relic with some time and effort you get a decent weapon without having to worry about mindlessly farming primals and depending on RNG.

I still think my relic is relic. Just because everyone may have one doesn't have to devalue it. I worked hard for mine, and I still value them more than any primal/coil drop I've gotten.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

Are you serious? Its not about being special or whatever....its about SE gimping the meaning behind the relic weapons. In previous FF (not just ffxi) relics were the most difficult to get yet most rewarding.

Did you play any of the other FF games?

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Why you people keep bringing expectations from other games? It's pretty obvious that it'll only lead to disappointment.
Worse when the disappointment stems from "half of the server" (like OP's complain) having it too.

Now that I've read it again, her complaint doesn't even makes sense. +1 Relic will be as good than Allagan. If it's about the item, having a +1 before it doesn't means it isn't the Curtana anymore.

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

I'd like to think that come 2.2 there will be weapons better than relic+1 that people can aim for.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

In 1.0 interviews about 2.0 yoshida said in 2.0 relic is meant to be the best and we will get quests to improve it into the legendary weapon slowly over time...just Google ffxiv legendary weapon its easy to find.

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The idea of Relic +2, +3, ect does not sound too farfetched.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

They are buffing alagan gear from BCB on 2.1 release, so il95 from twintania will be better than +1.......

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To be fair, WAR Relic +1 was still not as good as Allagan if you needed +Acc. PLD can use either and be fine, and most use Curtana. WAR have to decide between +Parry or +Accuracy. :/ Now that choice just got easier.

They never were...except in 1.0 lol

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Why you people keep bringing expectations from other games? It's pretty obvious that it'll only lead to disappointment.
Worse when the disappointment stems from "half of the server" (like OP's complain) having it too.

Now that I've read it again, her complaint doesn't even makes sense. +1 Relic will be as good than Allagan. If it's about the item, having a +1 before it doesn't means it isn't the Curtana anymore.

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Why? Because the producer of the game said that this game will bring the fantasy back in final fantasy and he claimed that he will bring the series back to its roots.

Yeah I can see allagan being better then +1 ok thats fine but as long as in the end he stays true to his word and legendary(which is meant to be relic weapons that are slowly upgraded through patches) will be the best.

I mean I'm sure they will upgrade our relics slowly but atm for end game SE probably wants ppl to keep running t1-5 , so yeah it makes sense for allagan to be better...for now

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

Are you serious? Its not about being special or whatever....its about SE gimping the meaning behind the relic weapons. In previous FF (not just ffxi) relics were the most difficult to get yet most rewarding.

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If that's your argument about what a relic is, then they fit the definition perfectly. It is a lengthy quest that gives one of the most powerful weapons in the game requiring the completion of the story, five boss monsters, and the involvement of two high level crafters (one to make the base weapon and one to meld the materia.)

And in previous FF, the ultimate weapons weren't always difficult to get. FF tactics you stole or found them on the maps, FF7 most were sitting around waiting to be picked up (hell Tifa's comes from a vending machine,) FF8 were all crafted, some of FF4 came from boss monsters, some bought and some just found while the remake was ultimate equipment from rare drops from basic monsters. One of the better weapons in FF6 Atma/Ultima weapon could be found before the World of Ruin.

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Originally Posted by Koren_Origins

If that's your argument about what a relic is, then they fit the definition perfectly. It is a lengthy quest that gives one of the most powerful weapons in the game requiring the completion of the story, five boss monsters, and the involvement of two high level crafters (one to make the base weapon and one to meld the materia.)

And in previous FF, the ultimate weapons weren't always difficult to get. FF tactics you stole or found them on the maps, FF7 most were sitting around waiting to be picked up (hell Tifa's comes from a vending machine,) FF8 were all crafted, some of FF4 came from boss monsters, some bought and some just found while the remake was ultimate equipment from rare drops from basic monsters. One of the better weapons in FF6 Atma/Ultima weapon could be found before the World of Ruin.

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Just for the record I would rather have this then a RNG system. Cause it goes back to RNG, I'm going to be screwed

I think is all about casual vs hardcore player. You can get relic +1 just with tomes it takes 3 weeks. But hardcore players can go to extreme primals and get it much faster.

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Originally Posted by Rak_Boy

It must be difficult to get and no other weapon is greater than them..

Half of our ppl in my server have relicS and Allagan is better atm and moogle google is going to be better soon ...

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You are wrong in every way.

1. Relics must not be anything you say they should.

2. Relic and Allagan weapons are same ilvl for now.

3. How will ilvl 80 moogle weapons ever be better than one you can make ilvl 90?

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Yes exactly, they were the end of the end of the game. If that makes sense lol. Have you tried getting the hardest to get weapons in ff12? That stuff was hard haha especially done when under leveled. Or in FFX, remember lulus? Omg I never had to focus so hard to dodge the lighting that many times in a row haha. All the ultimate weapons in FFX were fun but challenging to get and were so worth it!

That is how it should be. Which is why I think its ok for se to let us upgrade them slowly along the way until we get the legendary version or whatever name they choose in the end. They should be obtained from quests/fights along the way and not some jokey RNG system.

SE will probably make a retarded hard quest to make relics +2,3,4 ect at some point instead of just needing myth tomes. Pretty sure their not gonna just leave it like this...hopefully anyway *optimistic* XD

If you also want to talk ease of getting the "relic" weapons look at FF3 (put this in because CT will be out soon) all you had to do was really do. A little quest and fight a boss which by that point is easy to get the ultimate weapon then it's as simple as max out a job to 99 and free max weapon for that job.

So by Yoshi saying he's going back to the roots, if you look at almost every FF game the ultimate weapons are pretty easy to get.

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Originally Posted by Crios

If you also want to talk ease of getting the "relic" weapons look at FF3 (put this in because CT will be out soon) all you had to do was really do. A little quest and fight a boss which by that point is easy to get the ultimate weapon then it's as simple as max out a job to 99 and free max weapon for that job.

So by Yoshi saying he's going back to the roots, if you look at almost every FF game the ultimate weapons are pretty easy to get.

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You can get Lion Heart in FFVIII on the 1st disc.. you just gotta spend hours playing the card game <.<

it would be nice to have legendary weapons similar to GW2 where its mainly obtained through solo progression. But everything in this game is so party dependent I dont think it will ever come to light atleast.not until 2.3

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Originally Posted by Crios

If you also want to talk ease of getting the "relic" weapons look at FF3 (put this in because CT will be out soon) all you had to do was really do. A little quest and fight a boss which by that point is easy to get the ultimate weapon then it's as simple as max out a job to 99 and free max weapon for that job.

So by Yoshi saying he's going back to the roots, if you look at almost every FF game the ultimate weapons are pretty easy to get.

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So I guess in ff12 and FFX they were easy? I wish I had those gaming skills. I remember throwing controllers a few times doing those lmao. Idr much of the other games it was so long ago when I played those ;; or perhaps they weren't that hard so I dont remember...>.> but still, the point is they were meant to be the best...no matter how hard or easy to get. In all the square soft/squareenix games relic/ultimate whatever you want to call them were always to be seen as special and the best weapons....

I can't fathom for the life of me why anyone would think its ok for relic weapons to be replaced by something mediocre in the ff series (not saying you, just ppl in general who may think that way)

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

So I guess in ff12 and FFX they were easy? I wish I had those gaming skills. I remember throwing controllers a few times doing those lmao.

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couldn't dodge 100 consecutive bolts of lightning either huh? I remember I would be doing that quest, get bored, check my AOL instant messages, and come back and get fried.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

couldn't dodge 100 consecutive bolts of lightning either huh? I remember I would be doing that quest, get bored, check my AOL instant messages, and come back and get fried.

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Haha yeah..I remember I seriously got to being one dodge away, getting overly excited then bam lol had to start over...that was probably when I threw the controller xD

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

So I guess in ff12 and FFX they were easy? I wish I had those gaming skills. I remember throwing controllers a few times doing those lmao. Idr much of the other games it was so long ago when I played those ;; or perhaps they weren't that hard so I dont remember...>.> but still, the point is they were meant to be the best...no matter how hard or easy to get. In all the square soft/squareenix games relic/ultimate whatever you want to call them were always to be seen as special and the best weapons....

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FFXII the end game weapons were not the hard, just came toward the end of the game, and FFX I think the hardest part was the light in strikes you had to dodge....other than that I can't remember them being that hard. Of course this is back when I had tons of free time so today I might find them hard just because of the time required.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

So I guess in ff12 and FFX they were easy?

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When people keep asking for the "Relic weapons to be hard." most people mean "Time consuming." The lightning strikes challenge was hard but most people don't want that. Let's, for example, pretend you had to do that one to get your relic weapon here. The complaints would be "It's not hard! Just practice for a few hours and you'll get it. I'm bored, I got it on the first day the patch came out. Omg, everyone has a relic weapon because even casuals with a few days of practice will get it." etc etc etc.

Proof? People say the current relic weapons are too easy. Titan is very hard for "most" people to complete. Many people get stuck on titan for weeks before they manage to kill him but this isn't good enough. I completed the lightning "challenge." in a single afternoon.

The extreme primal fights will be dropping ilvl90 weapons...for some reason I don't know why. A. If your doing extreme then you beat Titan already and have a relic. B. if your doing extremes then you prob already have the +1 relic...what the hell are the extreme primal weapons for then if we already have a weapon equal to it going in? (Unless everyone greeds because the need job has it already).

/confused

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Originally Posted by Crios

FFXII the end game weapons were not the hard, just came toward the end of the game, and FFX I think the hardest part was the light in strikes you had to dodge....other than that I can't remember them being that hard. Of course this is back when I had tons of free time so today I might find them hard just because of the time required.

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For me ff12 ones was a pain cuz I did then so low lol I think I fought Gilgamesh at lv50 >.> the FFX ones were kinda hard...I remember for wakka we had to win all the blitz ball games. For yuna I rmemeber the Magus sister fight which was hard ;;

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Celestial_Weapon

Brings back memories lol

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Originally Posted by Pinworms

The extreme primal fights will be dropping ilvl90 weapons...for some reason I don't know why. A. If your doing extreme then you beat Titan already and have a relic. B. if your doing extremes then you prob already have the +1 relic...what the hell are the extreme primal weapons for then if we already have a weapon equal to it going in? (Unless everyone greeds because the need job has it already).

/confused

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Yeah it seems backwards...

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Originally Posted by Ericyu

it would be nice to have legendary weapons similar to GW2 where its mainly obtained through solo progression. But everything in this game is so party dependent I dont think it will ever come to light atleast.not until 2.3

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I did not enjoy the grind for the legendaries in GW2 but for the flashiness it was an okay tradeoff. Probably will never ever farm another one in that game. lol.

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Originally Posted by Pinworms

The extreme primal fights will be dropping ilvl90 weapons...for some reason I don't know why. A. If your doing extreme then you beat Titan already and have a relic. B. if your doing extremes then you prob already have the +1 relic...what the hell are the extreme primal weapons for then if we already have a weapon equal to it going in? (Unless everyone greeds because the need job has it already).

/confused

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Where has theat been confirmed? If that is what the Extreme Primals are dropping that is complete crap and why would you even do them then excetp to get a bad ass weapon for your alts and skip their Relic Quests??? I hope this is not true...please say this is not so.

I've been stuck for weeks trying to beat Titan hard as WHM through duty finder. People join completely unprepared or leave after 1 wipe which makes it extremely difficult to get the strategy down. There are only a few players in my FC that are able to participate and I'm damn sure not paying for a "carry". Doesn't matter much now since I accidentally abandoned my relic weapon quest the other night, needing only a Titan kill. Not looking forward to redo.