If you're saying to yourself "What was the point of leveling and gearing out my Paladin when Warriors are totes gonna be better now?", then you clearly wanted to play a Warrior in the first place, but didn't go with what you wanted. Instead you went with a Paladin because you wanted to tank, and didn't want to be left out of end game raiding because Warriors were being excluded. Some things to consider:
1) Welcome to how Warriors felt since the beginning of the freaking game.
2) The warrior changes are still in development, and aren't finalized.
3) You can technically have a Warrior tank in end-game dungeons right now, but it is a lot more difficult to pull off than the almost 2.5 minutes of damage mitigation up-time that Paladins have.
I understand there is always going to be the dominant strategy in any MMO, but excluding an entire job from end-game content? That's just stupid.
So quit complaining, play the class you want to play, have fun.
Yes, another one about WAR changes.
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11-22-2013, 04:35 AMKovalYes, another one about WAR changes.
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11-22-2013, 04:44 AMPArcher
PAL aren't going to become irrelevant after 2.1...so many of the current PAL think they will be. I feel that they're just scared of having to share the spotlight with WAR; they have more or less a monopoly on tanking, and so are really important, and they don't want to lose that.
2.1...the patch that nerfs the Paladin Ego... -
11-22-2013, 04:46 AMGarnatian
You said it yourself:
Now the shoe is on the other foot and PLDs are complaining just like WARs did, however this statement is incorrect. WARs were the best Tank in 1.0. So "Welcome to how Warriors felt since 2.0."Quote:
Originally Posted by Koval
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11-22-2013, 05:07 AMEhayte
I think that people are getting emotional because they are in a situation like me (I'm not getting emotional, btw):
"I want to tank for my friends!!! :D , Wow! Warrior looks really fun! I'm going to do some internetz research..."
"OH MY GOD NOOO!!! Everyone hates WARs! I better be a Paladin, he's not as cool looking, or as fun, but at least I am helping my friends and playing with them. :) "
"Phew...This is pretty boring, and I have a lot Mythology tomes. I wonder if I should wait to see if they are going to change WAR, but I need to gear up to help my friends and have more fun... :confused: "
"OK, Paladin isn't sooo bad, I'm going to spend my tomes and get 6,000 hit points! Sweet! They will probably screw up the WAR buff anyways, and I'm pretty confident this is the right choice! :cool: "
*Reads Warrior patch notes from YoshiP... :D ... :) ... :( ... :mad: !!!! * -
11-22-2013, 05:13 AMEightbit
Having both, I'm really excited to be able to actually play my warrior. Granted I do need a new chest piece for it, DL sucks.
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11-22-2013, 05:22 AMBayman
I have both. I always was main with WAR. But its not like the mythology is going to be such a huge importance since i80 gear will be available.
The big difference is that PLD can MT everything in the game. WAR cannot with the same level of ease (if at all but for the very rare group). After the patch, PLD can STILL TANK all the content just like they did before. But WAR's should be able to do just the same, perhaps better, perhaps not.
A PLD getting mad about the changes is crazy. They are taking nothing away. Only putting the other tanking class on par (or better). If your worried about your tanking spot in coil... then you should be more worried about the company you keep and ability to play instead of a buff to another class. -
11-22-2013, 05:31 AMVactus
I am proud to say that my GLD is still only lvl 22 cause I like having Provoke. I didn't give a crap what people thought, I was playing WAR and getting taken to Coil. (T1, but hey, I've been!) And you can't really compare the 2.0 situation between PLD/WAR to the one in 1.0. People take WAR to T5 of coil and tank with it now. People didn't take PLD in 1.0 because they didn't have the dmg OR mitigation that WAR did. Now they'll be more similar.
As previously said: 2.1 The Nerf to Paladins Ego. -
11-22-2013, 05:34 AMLemon8orOr you could think like me:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ehayte
"I want to tank for my friends. Wow noone plays Warrior. Is it really that bad? I have to find out myself."
"Oh man this is tons of fun and viable. Even god mode in Titan story mode. What are people complaining about?"
"Yay, I did my WP and AK. Sure, PLD can pull and run dungeons 5 minutes faster. Who cares? I'll just continue playing with my FC who don't complain about me tanking rather than playing a boring class."
"OK I get to Coil on both monk and warrior. Turn 1 and 2 maybe a bit rough for warrior right now so I'll run as monk. Oh wait, noone wants a monk. They all shout for BRDs and BLMs, or even DRGs, yuck. I'll just help FC till they geared up enough for Coil and warriors are fixed."
*Reads Warrior patch notes .... yayyyyyyy I'm finally not placing a burden on healers but damn has to learn how to play warrior again!
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11-22-2013, 06:14 AMDevilstoo funny, almost spot on. I have been holding on to tomes until they released this. I wasn't going to invest the tomes in my WAR if it was going to be a shitty patch on them. I got my PLD up to 30 just in case. Patch notes come out and I dump all of my tomes on my beloved WAR. I just hope these changes stick or.................Quote:
Originally Posted by Ehayte
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11-22-2013, 06:18 AMVactusHonestly man, unless you're in a min/max group, play what you love. I have never wanted to play a PLD so I don't have one. WAR do well enough in Coil to not merit a mandatory class change and 2.1, even if only a few of those changes make it in, will be even better than where we are now. Spend your myths bruh! Don't fall to the knight illusion!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Devils
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11-22-2013, 06:43 AMSpookyGhost
Huh. Strange. I didn't know people switched from WAR and then completely focused their Myth on PLD.
My first Myth purchase was the WAR body piece as it not only looked the best it also seemed like the best upgrade I could get. I was planning to get my helmet next but then I learned that my FC didn't have any PLDs for Coil so I leveled mine up, got the relic, and decided to +1 my sword and shield instead of buying the helm for WAR. This seemed reasonable since I would be getting Allagan pieces from Coil for both WAR and PLD and my WAR didn't really need any help with holding aggro whereas I assumed PLD would have trouble later in Coil if I ever made it there. Unfortunately there were some set backs on my Coil group and I only just now beat Turn 1. I decided to get the Hero's Ring of Fending in the meantime but I'm not bothering capping any Myth til 2.1 since it feels too much like work and I really want to play WAR again.
I guess I understand why people would dump their Myth into PLD, though. More chances to get tank loot especially if you've already got a static for Coil. Infact I think those that did that probably have plenty of Allagan pieces to put on their WAR, unless they had bad luck on RNG. I still want that WAR helm though... -
11-22-2013, 07:36 AMObreck
Given that PLD can tank the hardest content in game and tank it extremely well you have no reason to switch to WAR unless you prefer that class. Paladin's got all the tools needed to comfortably get through any content so long as the player knows their class, and that's all that most endgame raiders care about.
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11-22-2013, 10:38 AMKal-El
I can't wait to take my WAR into Coil now :D
Maybe it's just me but I levelled both before realising PLDs had it easier for end game content. Now I'm looking forward to someone saying "Mind changing to WAR for this run?" :) -
11-22-2013, 11:06 AMEdenholtYou speak as if the players that picked Paladin had anything to do with the warrior issues. From what all veterans says, back in 1.0 it was the paladins that had to sit on the bench. Don't rejoice when another class stay behind, because it's never nice for those who picked the said class. It's not even like the Paladin won't be wanted anymore, instead the Warrior will be more like an option than the last resort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koval