50+ Experience.

I did perform a brief search and could find anything addressing my suggestion, so, here goes...

The system in place at current strikes me as a little unfair/un-nerving. Either you hit level 50 and stop receiving experience or you hit level 50 and you can't keep track of it anymore. Considering Squeenix intends, at some point, to lift the cap, presumably, it seems a little unfair if Exp DOES just stops dead. You should just be able to pile up Experience for when Cap is finally lifted. That, at least, would be a reason to carry on playing, meaning the functions put in place to keep the pro happy would be bonus functions, like they probably should be.

I propose at level 50 the bar disappears and turns into a number that just keeps climbing until re-cap, then it changes back.

I know a lot of you will feel it is unfair to change it now as some players hit level 50 months ago, my answer is this. This has to happen to make the future game better and fairer for everyone. :)

This... but only up to where the bar is a 'buffer' of exp, to where it goes one exp short of level 51. It shouldn't go beyond that. It never does in MMOs. Or else what would be the point of raising the level cap, if all the people playing would just fly several levels from all the grinding they did? They need a 'gate' there somewhat to prevent this. Not receiving exp is that gate. If they didn't, then you'd just have people complaining about 'nothing to do' more than you see some do now, due to them not having to level when the cap is raised.

Nah, that doesnt sound good.

When they raise the cap in, say, 6 months time, to 60, everyone will just jump to 60 and that'll be the end of that content. No challenge, no point.

Leave it as it is!

I honestly dont think you have ever played a MMORPG

My index finger points straight up.
My index finger curls and touches my chin.
My index finger points straight up.
And then /huh.

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Originally Posted by Ronzeru

This... but only up to where the bar is a 'buffer' of exp, to where it goes one exp short of level 51. It shouldn't go beyond that. It never does in MMOs.

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Actually it does in GW2. Every level you get past the cap accumulates skill points that you can spend on skills or for your legendary weapon.

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Originally Posted by Sayura_

Actually it does in GW2. Every level you get past the cap accumulates skill points that you can spend on skills or for your legendary weapon.

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LOTRO did the same thing. I like it.

But its not like you gain much EXP at 50 anyway. You don't get it from mobs, and you don't get it for completing dungeons.

or do you?

I agree there should still be a limit to how much Exp a person can get, say 1 Exp shy of 51. Hell, you could go even further if you further reduced Exp gained for 50+ players. Just so that the bar has SOME use.

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Originally Posted by Sotter

I honestly dont think you have ever played a MMORPG

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Because I'm willing to do things a bit different? Why would you want something exactly alike the last MMORPG you played? We were promised something different. At the moment it's like playing WOW, but with a slightly different template. But that's off topic --- Sotter, I'm not even gonna acknowledge your +1manship. If you don't have something constructive to say I really don't see the point in putting digit to key.

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

LOTRO did the same thing. I like it.

But its not like you gain much EXP at 50 anyway. You don't get it from mobs, and you don't get it for completing dungeons.

or do you?

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Hard to answer that because of the cap. The way things are set up it's hard to determine if you get ANYTHING after 50.

Let me ask you this Yoshi: Where's the incentive to go back an help lower level players once you have all the seals and tomes you need? Why should I? Why shouldn't I just concentrate on my DL gear? I just don't get it, one minute you're trying to instil a proper community, one that helps its fellow player and the next you're providing literally no incentive. I'd personally help without the incentive but the majority won't.

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

LOTRO did the same thing. I like it.

But its not like you gain much EXP at 50 anyway. You don't get it from mobs, and you don't get it for completing dungeons.

or do you?

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Yah. But thats at 'endgame endgame' life cycles for games. FFXI did it too. I'm talking about straight exp 'period', not points to put to bonus stats, that shouldn't be in the game yet due to the fact that we'll have our level caps raised.

Sounds like a psychological issue if you can't bear to see your XP not go past 0 when you can't actually get any stronger than you are. Is it really going to bother you that much to go spend an hour or w/e in CPP to get that extra XP when you're uncapped?

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

LOTRO did the same thing. I like it.

But its not like you gain much EXP at 50 anyway. You don't get it from mobs, and you don't get it for completing dungeons.

or do you?

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In GW2 you did gain exp quickly even at cap. Running around WvW was easy levels and most of the time you didn't even notice you dinged. I personally liked that system because you were still progressing towards the end-game item or other things to spend skill points on.

Atlantica Online did the same thing. It didn't end well and as soon as the update came max level people were bored again. Pick your poison. Bored before the cap increase or bored right after.

hhmm well if it just resets at a re-cap, gained exp would just be lost then.
we need an indication of how much exp we've really gained....
how about a second bar that shows total exp gained that won't reset no matter what, and won't affect the levels? and a way to show it off, of course ;)

I'm a fan of a completely separate "XP" system earned by level capped players that can go towards various minor buffs and utility. It's not part of the leveling XP system, rather something else entirely.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Sounds like a psychological issue if you can't bear to see your XP not go past 0 when you can't actually get any stronger than you are.

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+1manship at its finest there. And a blatant disregard for another persons feelings. A psychological issue, because I happen to disagree with the current lay out? Really? Any other sore topics you wanna make fun of while we're here? My point is, it'd be quite nice to keep track of the Exp I've piled up, even if you don't get the actual level out of it until cap is lifted. Where's the harm? Cap is lifted, you shoot straight through to 60. You still have plenty to tune in for, updates and patches, main story extensions... Only difference is, this way you wouldn't be getting buggered out of a few million Exp points.

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Originally Posted by coffeeking

hhmm well if it just resets at a re-cap, gained exp would just be lost then.

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I meant the format would reset at re-cap not the Exp gained, you'd keep that.

Here's my issue, a re-cap could take months if not a year to come, in that time, while you were concentrating on other things you could've accumulated millions if not a couple billion Exp. At the moment that either isn't being presented or the Exp is just getting sucked into void space. How is that fair on anyone?

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Originally Posted by Xx-DarKOrioN-xX

I agree there should still be a limit to how much Exp a person can get, say 1 Exp shy of 51. Hell, you could go even further if you further reduced Exp gained for 50+ players. Just so that the bar has SOME use.



Because I'm willing to do things a bit different? Why would you want something exactly alike the last MMORPG you played? We were promised something different. At the moment it's like playing WOW, but with a slightly different template. But that's off topic --- Sotter, I'm not even gonna acknowledge your +1manship. If you don't have something constructive to say I really don't see the point in putting digit to key.



Hard to answer that because of the cap. The way things are set up it's hard to determine if you get ANYTHING after 50.

Let me ask you this Yoshi: Where's the incentive to go back an help lower level players once you have all the seals and tomes you need? Why should I? Why shouldn't I just concentrate on my DL gear? I just don't get it, one minute you're trying to instil a proper community, one that helps its fellow player and the next you're providing literally no incentive. I'd personally help without the incentive but the majority won't.

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Well i can tell you that the answer to that question is certainly not "give me exp past the level cap so that when I do get the cap raised (from 50-60) that Im already level 59".

That would make absolutely 0 sense. Im not criticizing your idea but I think you want something that would be "OP" in terms of incentive.

I like to help people just because. I have fun when I do it. that is the reward. I think that at cap the battle exp you would gain can and should be put towards other things. as it stands, its not, and that is not something game breaking for me.

@Lord_Zlatan:

I'm the same, but the majority aren't. What happens when the lack of incentive starts leaking over? This game in particular is absolutely reliant on pro assistance. You take away the incentive, you can pretty much take away the pro assistance. If you take away the pro assistance the game is broken.

I did address your concern earlier, I said the Exp should be cut down majorly and the cap ALMOST lifted to 51, meaning you'd be 1 shy of 51, not 59. I was suggesting the cap be unlimited but I note your concern. I don't personally think it'd be an issue, but that's just me. Whether you do 10 times the levelling before cap lift while you're doing other things or you level up regularly after the cap, I guess the result is the same. I just don't like the fact my hard earned Exp is being sucked into nothingness.

I'm a little confused about this. It seems like there are two primary concerns going on about the exp bar here. The first is that it's unfair(?) that you don't gain exp. I don't understand the unfair aspect of it. Everyone's in the same boat on being capped. It really just seems like you simply want to get that extra level immediately upon cap increase (which probably won't happen for a very long time). That is not a valid reason for anyone to change their system that is already in-place (and is a normal and practical decision to begin with).

The second is that it'd put a use to the exp bar. It really doesn't need a use though, and again, kind of just sounds like you're trying to get as much of an edge as possible towards that day far in the future. Plus, you'd pretty much have no use for the bar upon hitting that 99.9% exp fill... so... back to square one? Again, kinda goes back to just wanting that extra unnecessary advantage (which results in going right back to where you started).

I mean, there is always the possibility of them throwing in a "merit system" like in FFXI, if the concern really is just about the bar having a use. I just really wouldn't get my hopes up on such a thing.

I used to play a game where there was no exp cap and people keep accumulating exp even after max level. Then they raise the max level and people got bored after 1 week saying they're already at max level, no need to do the one at intermediate levels anymore and nothing to do. No thanks.

Wrong on both counts. I suggested a number of fixes in topics to fix that, like a 90% reduction after hitting 50 so that Exp earned was purely passive. I also suggested on a cap just before 51, so you wouldn't technically be level 51, you'd be a fraction away from it.. Just gonna copy and paste it in a minute, lol.

Make a Merrit System like FFXI, Better idea imo...
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...38#post1584838

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Make a Merrit System like FFXI, Better idea imo...
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...38#post1584838

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Well, it seems this topic was short-lived. Upwards and onwards!

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