In FFXI i'm used to log in my characther from my friend's PC.
If i go to my friend's house, log in from others laptop (with FFXIV istalled) is cool.
People can play a sort of LAN party, where 2-3 person can enjoy FFXIV from the same room without the personal PC limitation.
Can SE remove this limitation that lock a character if people can try to log in from another computer?
Another bad thing is that if I have a laptop and try to log in from another place FFXIV block my account.
[dev1083]Abolition of IP check system
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05-29-2011, 02:16 AMZephir[dev1083]Abolition of IP check system
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05-29-2011, 02:22 AMElexia
I've never had an issue with this and my SE account is logged in from opposite ends of the world at times due to family having POL IDs linked to it.
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05-29-2011, 02:29 AMZephirYou talk about POL? But POL is in FFXIQuote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
I use FFXI only like a good example becouse in FFXI I can log in my character from another PC.
I mean if I want to log in my SE account (FFXIV account) from another place where FFXIV client is istalled but normally used from another person with another account.
I try a lot of times and every time my account was blocked and unable to log in.
Same happen if they try to log in from my PC and FFXIV client -
05-29-2011, 02:37 AMTheVedis
Its a security feature that basicaly makes you reset your password(i minor inconvenience) if you log on from a different IP
this is to stop people who are accessing peoples accounts illegaly(hackers) and is there for your protection.
If you wanna log in somewhere other then usual, do the process real quick and then log in, its not that hard to do
and its alot better then one day logging in only to find someone changed all your info and is now using your account instead of you because this feature wasnt in place
as far as multiple people on same IP goes...thats not an issue at all, i have multiple computers connected to this game and there are no issues(cuz i never switch IPs) -
05-29-2011, 02:50 AMDreamer
It's a minor inconvenience, but wholly tolerable to me given the extra security it gives to my account.
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05-29-2011, 02:51 AMKilta_Firelotus
Just buy the security token. Issue is solved. Accounts link with a security token are safe from the IP lock out. Since it is hard to bypass the token. Pretty much the IP block is am automatic fail safe. This was put into place when the SE offices where hacked into and anyones account not liked to a token were compromised. Pretty much think about the psn hacking.... but for an mmo. It was pretty nasty too. I think ppl were after CC info cause no one character had items deleted. Its been a while since it happen. So details are foggy,
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05-29-2011, 02:53 AMZephirThere are a lot of way to protect account...in FFXI i log from a lot of PC and never had my account stolen.....Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
This is terrible for me....
If you don't swich IP....but if I want to log from my laptop outside?? -
05-29-2011, 02:54 AMCaptaindownsyndrome
buy a token and it will fix this it will always know its you
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05-29-2011, 02:54 AMZephirWhy i MUST buy a thing.....ok i can..but it's not a fair way to solve the issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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05-29-2011, 02:56 AMTheVedisThen that is something you must deal withQuote:
Originally Posted by Zephir
whos to say im not the one logging into your network from right outside your house?
again, this protects you, yes its an inconvenience, but its one thats worth it
as ive always stated before in these matters
people LOVE security features, unless they are affected by them and have to do anything extra -
05-29-2011, 02:58 AMCaptaindownsyndromethey did this because people accounts are being stolen in huge numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by Zephir
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05-29-2011, 03:03 AMZephirPeople say that must format window every 6 month...I pay attention and have same OS istallation from over 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
I'm ok with security features but if i can decide to use it or not.
A sort of swich can be fine
IP check system--->ON/OFF (default ON) -
05-29-2011, 03:23 AMDelsus
Security features always inconviniance users slightly, theres some which to a normal user arent noticable like network security, where a firewall checks things against access lists which slightly slows traffic, and there are some like this one which are completly noticable.
The key is finding a compromise between security and conviniance, now just think for a moment, SE could have implemented a system that locks your account out for 15 mins if you login from another PC and you have to reset your password which is worse the current system or that?
The current system is a compromise, currently I would think this is the minimum they could do for account security.
Also people that say "I was playing FFXI for years and never got hacked without this system" all you need to do is go on a website with a malicious ad, or cookie and you could get a keylogger that would get your password, then you would be hacked, unless you only use the OSK to enter passwords.
Also as other people say if this is such an unacceptable inconviniance get a security token so you dont have the problem -
05-29-2011, 03:24 AMCaptaindownsyndromethey did it more for them self then for you, this stops them from having to deal with people with stolen accounts in the boat loads buy a tokenQuote:
Originally Posted by Zephir
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05-29-2011, 03:35 AMZephirPerfect...Quote:
Originally Posted by Captaindownsyndrome
If I have IP check on and my accout was stolen then SE must do something.
If I choose to deactivate system and I lose my account SE can ignore me...
I can accept a thing like this.
It is my choice -
05-29-2011, 03:41 AMTheVedisits also your choice to play from more then 1 location/rigQuote:
Originally Posted by Zephir
this is a dead issue, its not getting changed, people keep bringing this up only when it inconveniences them -
05-29-2011, 03:46 AMDelsusI agree with this, when SE announced it there were no complaints that I remember, but once somone gets blocked they start crying, as I said this is a compromise, they could have made it much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
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05-29-2011, 04:18 AMZephir
or better.
Like permit to register up to 3-5 pc on SE account...
And IP check not work from this PC, but only from computer that aren't in list.
OH...solved....in a very simple way^^
SE NEVER publicize this feature when talk about the game XD -
05-29-2011, 06:03 AMDelsusThere are 2 ways they can implement this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zephir
1. you put your ip address in to SE account manager, however people dont usually know thier IP address, even if they know about ipconfig that only gives your local IP address, if you are using NAT (which you will) then its alot harder to get your external IP because users dont need to know it.
2. the first x amount of PCs are regestered to use, the problem with this is if you havent use the entire alotment of PCs then the system is useless, and it might as well be scrapped.
Also it was either in patch notes or one of Yoshi-P's letters when it was implemented, if you dont read those then you wont of heard it, there has been no reason to publicize it to the world, just where it matters. -
05-29-2011, 06:44 AMZenaku
Buy a Token it only cost 10$ o.o am going to buy it and i don't even need it because i only play on one Computer/ISP. but it just nice to have something on top of what they have not.
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05-29-2011, 08:26 AMTessaJallohit should be noted that it's only 10$ to the US, but anyone playing in the EU territory used to have to pay import fees and shipping (not sure about if they have a more local distributor yet) which at the time of the game's release cost nearly £30. which to those too lazy to run a currency conversion:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
£30 = $49.52 = €34.58
compared to:
$10 = €6.90 = £6.05 -
05-29-2011, 09:43 AMKilta_Firelotusyes it is :) not everyyhing in life is for free. And it is only accounts linked to Sqaure members. The token is $10 and lasts a good 5+ years. So your getting your moneys worth. Its like buying a gaurd dog. Or a security system for your home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zephir
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05-29-2011, 10:33 AMYellow
This could have been implemented better..
Like receiving an email :| click the link and verify it's you.... and then you can log in? -
05-29-2011, 02:07 PMXenor
I can't believe people are calling that a "minor" inconvenience. It's a huge pain in the rectum to have to change your password every time you login if you're on a dynamic IP ISP. Making your game a pain in the rectum to login to is not smart, especially in XIV's current state. It pretty much forced me to use the security token which is just as much a pain in the rectum as having to change my password each time.
I should also point out that forcing people to change passwords that often makes it very insecure as people end up having to write passwords down in Notepad or on paper. I had to do that with my university e-mail account because they forced us to change it every three months that by the time you remembered it you'd have to change it again.
Never in my 13 years of using the internet have I had an internet account accessed by an unauthorised person. It boils down to common sense when creating passwords and downloading files off the net. This should be OPTIONAL. There is no argument here. The only way people are getting in my account is if someone launches a PSN style attack on the SE servers and it's down to SE to secure those. -
05-29-2011, 02:55 PMSeirra_Lanzce
I never had this problem been keeping changing my IP.. oh wait.. i haz token.. O_O
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05-29-2011, 03:41 PMZephir1) agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Delsus
2) Like ps3 for content downloaded from psn or mp3 buyed from iTunes, a person can remove a PC from the System.
Obviously the "recognize system" must be protected. (with IP check system maybe)
But i think that in this way issue was solved and anyone can log from friend's PC (with FFXIV), from laptop when outside (train, airport, home, in a personal store where you work, ecc).
Obviously i think that people register only PC that can be considered "SAFE", and not a internet cafe's PC XD
In this way if we have a keylogger, like the IP system, the hacker can't use our accout.
A sort of MAC protection in FFXIV, where we can choose the PC that are entrusted -
05-31-2011, 05:50 AMBalbanesGet security token. Problem solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zephir
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05-31-2011, 06:12 AMXatshNot everyone uses firefox though, every other web browser is not safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
FFXI hundreds and hundreds of accounts where being stolen by keyloggers that where being planted on fan sites. Not one of the known virus programs where catching any of them.
Get one of those it does not matter if your password is "UncleBoB or asdfODP194VADAMMDIOE439348ZH" you would get hacked either way.
And while this may inconvenience someone, trust me having to deal with SE to unlock it... yea unless you where absolutely in love with this game it would make you quit in a heart beat. (you have to remember having the orriginal codes is not enough for SE to unlock the game, you have to get a notarized form and wait 3-4 weeks for them to act on it)
As others said get the token if you plan on playing for any duration of time, if not remember major corporations get hacked everyday through powerful firewalls. Your PC's security in the end is pointless if a hacker finds a loophole. The I never been hacked things is just that, you are lucky you are not really safe though.