Legacy World Transfer to Non-Legacy World (Time Frame and Opinions)

I'm hoping this will be more of a centralized thread on the issue of when Legacy world characters will be allowed to transfer to non-Legacy worlds. Any projection on when this would be implemented would be nice.

I also want to get people's opinions as to whether Legacy character transfers would truly have a negative impact on other worlds' economies. Before that, I want to point out that: (1) there is already a three million gil cap for any transfer; and (2) even if a Legacy character would use all of his gil to buy materials and other things on his Legacy server before transferring, there is essentially a tax on each item because the Legacy server economy is generally more inflated than any non-Legacy server he would transfer to (this mitigates the effect he would have on the economy by bringing items to sell on the bazaar).

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It will eventually be allowed, but there is no set timeframe at the moment. Over time the significance of a legacy world player transferring will decrease and they will probably evaluate the issue periodically to decide when the likely impact has shrunk to a point they're comfortable with allowing the transfers at.

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They cited they were concerned with the economy when they announced the bar on Legacy transfers, but I would like some sort of statement concerning time frame

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What I'm trying to tell you is THERE IS NO SET OR CONFIRMED TIMEFRAME. We only know that it will happen, at some to be determined point in the future. We have been assured that it is a temporary restriction.

In the meantime, if you are complaining because you can't join a friend's server, then why not have that friend join your server instead?

Fair enough, but your information is mostly inferences. They cited they were concerned with the economy when they announced the bar on Legacy transfers, but I would like some sort of statement concerning time frame (rather than the seemingly random guess of forum-goers saying six months). I feel the argument about economic stability is weak since, as far as I've heard, other servers already have strong economies with many level 50 crafters.

Comedic value of your dead horse reference aside, my searches on the topic have resulted in disjointed information and none really called for public feedback or made much of a splash. If people simply don't care about the topic, that's fine. However, SE is more likely to pay attention when there's a lot of noise. I want to see how much noise people will make.

One decent solution is to allow Legacy characters to transfer now with a heavier tax on their gil (aka cap at 1 million).

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Originally Posted by RanJianji

there is already a three million gil cap for any transfer

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It's 1 million per character and 200k per retainer. They lowered it when the paid service started.

Gobbue mount for everyone then, please.

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Originally Posted by Nipa

Gobbue mount for everyone then, please.

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Only if everyone gets legacy mounts too.

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Originally Posted by Nipa

Gobbue mount for everyone then, please.

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Goobbue envy is alive and well.

Legacy players like their gobbue's, we like to keep it that way.

Alas, too many people will whine and SE will eventually give in, it's sad but it will probably happen some day. At least our subscription price will always stay the same, hopefully.

Goobbue is not legacy. Goobbue could be obtained by doing a specific quest in 1.0.

Characters created on ARR can not have the Goobbue. Hence characters created on non-legacy can not have the Goobbue, even if the player is a 1.0 or a legacy player.

Give Goobue to 1.0 players in other servers.

Legacy players have a very different mount: the legacy Chocobo.

Legacy players trying to be sneaky suggesting that the gil limit will have any effect on their impact on the new server economy. I have leveled everything to 50 on a fresh server first of all so not worried about them coming over and being "ahead" of me. Second of all I have a 50 1.0 character with quite a bit of gil and materials so I wouldn't mind the xfer myself. But I would buy out every mat that's cheaper on legacy and actually end up with more gil on the new server then I have now. Not to mention anyone that played 1.0 much at all has 9999 crystals/shards and probably in the thousands on clusters too since it dropped like candy which is a ton of gil on a new server in itself. So if they do ever allow it they need to also cap certain items you can xfer with too or it WILL hurt the economy on new servers.

Legacy ftw! mreow!

Cracked materia will have a huge impact on a non-legacy server. Think how many people are holding cracked T4 materia (like myself) waiting for an opportunity to cash in on it.

I don't really want to see Legacy -> Non-legacy become possible, even ignoring the economy reasons which gil caps do nothing to prevent when you can often make a profit by checking the AH on both servers before transferring and buying appropriate items, Legacy players have plenty of exclusive rewards only available to them that would be awkward having on non-legacy servers which people started on to have a fresh start

None of these arguments have any real basis. Economy is different on any server legacy or not. As far as old items go any player that did any research into mounts and that they already know these items exist rather can get them or not. Simply saying that friends should transfer to a legacy server isn't realistic either. Some legacy servers have been near impossible to get into from start leaving no choice but for them to start elsewhere. Where as most legacy players(especially those on jp legacy) have played with intention to transfer pretty much from start newer players have settled in and built communities where it wouldnt be moving one person but a bunch to satisfy a group playing together. The only logical thing would be if there is a technical issue that is getting in the way of these transfers in which case they should let it be known cause at this point might as well be saying the just dont care as much about there older players.

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Originally Posted by Rath

Cracked materia will have a huge impact on a non-legacy server. Think how many people are holding cracked T4 materia (like myself) waiting for an opportunity to cash in on it.

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Remove calamity salvager from non legacy servers then, no reason to have them when nobody on the server can use them.

I haven't logged in for over a month (let my subscription lapse, waiting 'til I can transfer), but as I recall, I had less than 300k gil and no tome mats. However, I understand the possibility of rich characters buying a bunch of tome mats before transferring (though that'll drive the price down, which I think is better for the majority).

Judging from the just-released FC housing prices, SE seems assume I have a lot more gil. It makes me wonder what the actual wealth distribution is. If I had to guess, I think it is similar the real-life U.S. wealth distribution, with a tiny percentage of the player base holding onto most of the gil. If only SE could audit characters for lack of wealth, judging from their gil AND their quantity of expensive mats, let them move.

2.1 has been implemented, so maybe they can try to address this legacy world emigration issue (maybe after the housing works its magic and decreases the overall gil in legacy servers--c'mon, rich players, buy houses).

I've stopped logging in as well. I've unsub'd, etc. The economy is a bullshit reason to not allow the transfers. There are plenty of people who have said they'd be willing to have their accounts stripped of ALL their gil/sellable items to be allowed to transfer. I just want to play with my friends. But, at this point, the transfer service has been out for a while. The first major content patch has been released. AND STILL there is no set date on transfers off of legacy servers. What in the holy fuck is the point in wasting time and money on a game that refuses to let you play with the people you want to play with? Done wasting my time and money with SquareEnix.

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Originally Posted by ReviiLagoon

Alas, too many people will whine and SE will eventually give in, it's sad but it will probably happen some day. At least our subscription price will always stay the same, hopefully.

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Quoted for Nostradamus-tier prediction skills

But why are non-legacy player allowed to move to legacy servers and ruin our economy? and more importantly, why are non legacy players allowed to ruin economy of other non legacy servers?

Does not make sense to me, oh, and I would be willing to give up every sellable item if I could just transfer and play with my friends

Anyone can do research and buy items that will make a profit on their new server, T4 is easier to convert now, 2.1 brought a stable income to everyone including non-crafters, and the majority of people have multiple crafts at 50 anyway. It's been long enough, just let the people trapped on Legacy servers play with their friends already.

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Originally Posted by Kittenyan

Legacy players have plenty of exclusive rewards only available to them that would be awkward having on non-legacy servers which people started on to have a fresh start

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Is this a real? Like, people are against Legacy>Non Legacy transfers because of exclusive items?

Better separate Collector's Editions owners to their own servers then. How dare they have adorable Behemoth minions where I can see, but never touch.

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Originally Posted by Zorzi

Better separate Collector's Editions owners to their own servers then. How dare they have adorable Behemoth minions where I can see, but never touch.

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Yeah, we need to start segregating Goobbue riders from the rest of the Legacy population, and maybe make a new server that is only for people who are just starting to play and missed out on Lightning/Snow-gear. Plus, you know, if these new players are new, they have 0 gil and it'll be unfair for them to play with all these other people who have 100 gil.