Titan HM - Server Lag

Hello, I love the mechanics and believe the fight is toned perfectly (except for maybe the increased dmg of tumult in the final phase). I have had over 12 people I know who have quit the game due to the fact of SERVER LAG on the fight. Players whom have top of the line computers and high speed internet will see themselves out of the 'danger zone' and others will see them out but they will still get hit. The friends I have who have zero problems with the fight and NEVER get hit by mechanics are living in the northern midwest of the U.S (ie: Chicago, IL area) due to the fact that they are extremely close to the Montreal us/eu server. I have also noticed that the longer you are in any instanced dungeon/trial the greater your chances of having a lag spike will be. Yoshi P telling everyone in a live letter that they "need to be better and zoom the camera out" is absolutely ridiculous and insulting to the players who have been raiding for years and know how to play.

Just pre-emptively move out of, and into stuff. Problem solved.

I feel your pain. The latency issues are a huge annoyance for me as well.

i have a really awesome custom built computer myself and fiber optic internet connection as well, i feel all their pain........but it may help them if they zoom the camera in for majority of the phases, and only zoom out on bombs, its how i fight it now and dont have much issue with that lag.....from what i seen, its the game design itself, like it seems like it can only do so many fps, and it tries to figure out the best order for the items to appear, which can also explain how some plumes almost half a second, or even a whole second, after the first plume appeared. but thats just a guess based on what i come across fighting him

Same issue here. Easiest solution might be just build in more time to compensate for lag, but that's not really solving the problem.

I have a friend living in dubai who solo heals titan hm, idk man. I honestly think people need to practice the fight more and preemptively move more.

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Originally Posted by Patrikules

Yoshi P telling everyone in a live letter that they "need to be better and zoom the camera out" is absolutely ridiculous and insulting to the players who have been raiding for years and know how to play.

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He's not lying. I'm playing with 200+ ping, and don't have a problem with Titan. I almost always survive til the end.
Raiding for years doesn't automatically make you a good player.

People need to understand that the actual damage and the animation are not the same. For example, landslide, if I am standing in the attack when the cast bar hits full, it doesn't matter if you move 5ft or 50yards because you were registered in the attack at the time of the cast completion. On the same note, if you are out of landslide and move into it right after the cast ends, Titan will punch you straight in the skull and nothing will happen. Damage != animation.

I don't understand the point of these threads. It's one thing to be bad, but it's another to blame the mechanics when other players can kill Titan with the flick of a wrist. And gear doesn't really have anything to do with it.

The main problem in this game is that half the population with relic weapons couldn't even kill Titan because it was sold so widely, I know because I was selling it. You need to put more time/effort into understanding the fight and it's mechanics, especially something like Titan.

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Originally Posted by Nuffy

trolling

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you must not understand what lag is

ping plotter application can do a constant tracert and put it on the screen for you to easily see where your packets are dropping (if any)

also in my experience the required system specs are too low for this game, resulting in graphic/computation lag

I remember when I was bad at titan too, I would also blame lag.

Lag is no different from any other game mechanic, it can be compensated for; I still lag at times, but because I know the fight, Im always able to make up for that lag.

I use the lag to my advantage. I move in such a way that people think I will get hit but I don't. Some people in my FC are like "how does he not get hit by that?" However, that took A LOT of runs for me to be able to pick up the timing.

If you aren't having an issue it's because you aren't having these issues. Titan is not a hard fight, the plumes give you more then enough time to dodge them, the only difficult thing is learning the bomb rotation, but I live in Canada (so I'm close to the servers), I have a good internet connection and a very good computer. Some days I have absolutely no problems on titan because it's an easy fight and I've run it so many times, but other days I get hit with LS's I was out of instantly, my casts take 2-3 seconds to hit after the cast completion ends and I get hit with plumes I was out of immediately.

There are lag issues, these issues don't seem to be affected by your location, hardware or internet connection and there is no amount of 'anticipating plumes' that will save you from them. There are tons of videos on youtube that show this issue, feel free to look it up.

Lag can happen at any time within any game. I'm sure people have been hit with legit lag spikes in titan, he'll its happened to me a few times before. People that perpetually die and blame it on lag generally do suck. I read your post and out of curiosity I started to "Look it up" as you said. And so far all I've found is example of people noobing it up, thinking that the void zone animation correlates to being hit or not, while paying no attention to the casting bar. Take this as exhibit A) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFfu0i89gpI Idiot think's he's out of it in time. A simple print screen I took proves other wise: http://i.imgur.com/syrX4fE.jpg . This is just one example. I'm sure there are some legit lag issues no doubt, but its no where near as bad as people are making it out to be.

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Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade

you must not understand what lag is

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An excuse? I mean the OP makes it a point to mention their fibre connection and super gaming computers.

And I'm the troll? Lol

Last night fighting Titan I got out of range of plume time and time again and would get hit. Twice even I completely casted spell outside of the plume and got hit. I even got knocked off by a punch that I had time to dodge and get a cast off. Their are several people in our FC who have to Fight Titan differently because we have to anticipate the graphic/latencies issues that come. I assume mine come from using a machine barely above the min requirements. This does not make the fun or challenging it makes it frustrating that time and time again you are in the clear. I noticed with mine the cast bar is usually 1/4 the way through before plumes/ red lines appear. I don't have these issues with ifrit, or garuda, it's only in the titan fight.

I agree with what a few have said already. This is a fun fight. It doesn't need to be nerfed and I totally agree with the SE development team as far as that goes. However, from a technical standpoint, this fight is horrid. The server lag makes it much harder than it should be. Its like someone walking up to you and, every 5 minutes, slapping the controller out of your hand as you play Devil May Cry, lol.

Its really no different than a game with bad controls, though. Its an outside influence that makes the game harder than it needs to be, and something that can, and should be, addressed.

Same goes for Behemoth, Odin and any Coerthas FATE with either a boss, NPC or enemies. You want Gold on those? Its going to take luck and outside influences aligning with the stars, and possibly a sacrificial chicken, in order for it to happen, so I sure hope SE addresses these issues both soon and fully.

Keep the difficulty, get rid of the lag.

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

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Ok well, if you're playing a game which has, in your estimation, barely the "minimum" required specs, what makes you think you should be running the upper tier of content? Not that Titan isin't easy mode for many FC's and groups now, it is, but it's the gateway to end game in its current state. I don't understand how you could have been expecting to be a big participant in end game with a sub-par computer.

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Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade

you must not understand what lag is

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Why would you say Nuffy is trolling? Have you no semblance of logic?

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Originally Posted by Sylvanna

Why would you say Nuffy is trolling? Have you no semblance of logic?

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The only logical conclusion one can make is that he does not understand the issue that the OP described. Players who make condescending remarks have typically never experienced the lag/delay issue because they live close to a server. The issue described is an accepted bug by devs:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ighlight=delay

Unfortunately many people get a rise out of calling other players bad and enjoy thinking that they are better at the game than someone who struggles due to lag.

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Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade

The only logical conclusion one can make is that he does not understand the issue that the OP described. Players who make condescending remarks have typically never experienced the lag/delay issue because they live close to a server. The issue described is an accepted bug by devs:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ighlight=delay

Unfortunately many people get a rise out of calling other players bad and enjoy thinking that they are better at the game than someone who struggles due to lag.

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I live in SW US, nowhere close to servers and almost never lag.

The majority of you just need to accept that you're bad at Titan, and stop blaming the server lag that rarely affects anyone.

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Originally Posted by Otoha

I live in SW US, nowhere close to servers and almost never lag.

The majority of you just need to accept that you're bad at Titan, and stop blaming the server lag that rarely affects anyone.

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Seriously though, way to many players in AF gear and i-lvl 45/below gear que for this in hopes to be carried. (they are proving to be way to heavy to often) If you put an in-game item level check in order to que, there will be more victorious DF ques for Titan HM.....
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Yoshi..%21%21

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Originally Posted by Otoha

I live in SW US, nowhere close to servers and almost never lag.

The majority of you just need to accept that you're bad at Titan, and stop blaming the server lag that rarely affects anyone.

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Clearly reading is something very challenging for you. If you visit the link I provided, you'd see that it affects quite a few people. But feel free to continue to pretend that you are better at the game than others.

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

Last night fighting Titan I got out of range of plume time and time again and would get hit.

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Gonna go out on a limb and say this is what is happening to you if its consistently happening. It might be lag once in a while, sure, but if this supposed "lag" you only experience in titan, you aren't dodging fast enough. Btw, if a plume spawn on you, you dont have to time to run all the way out, and cast a complete spell before the cast bar goes off. Start casting a spell? Sure, complete a non instant casted spell before the cast bar completion after running out of one? No.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFfu0i89gpI

http://i.imgur.com/syrX4fE.jpg

The imgur link is an unedited print screen I took of pause during the video. You can clearly see that although it does appear the character is clear of the void zone before the animation goes off, you can clearly see that with the cast bar at roughly 90% full, he's still got 1/4 of the way to go. Yes this game is not wow, there is an inherent .3 second sever check/lag associated with everything currently. The game does not require massive bandwith to run, on average you're probably pushing like 30-50kb/s up and 20-100kb/s down at any given time. There is a reason there are people who can consistently dodge titan mechanics and people who can't. Not saying this is directly the case with you, but I have a feeling some people just have a hard time accepting that they aren't good enough or haven't practiced enough to compensate for this .3 delay that WE ALL deal with, and thus, blame their poor play on lag. Quite frankly I'm sick of it.

People in my FC think it's the way the game is designed. You have to memorize the rotation and have to be moving before the ability is cast because there is simply not enough time to run out if you are standing in the middle of a puddle.

I think it's a little silly to have unescapable aoe in the game (ie reaction time can't save you) but the evidence certainly supports the idea that it was designed that way.

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Originally Posted by XenabelleS

People in my FC think it's the way the game is designed. You have to memorize the rotation and have to be moving before the ability is cast because there is simply not enough time to run out if you are standing in the middle of a puddle.

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Speaking solely about WotL: without lag it is quite easy to run out using only reaction time after seeing the ground aoe spawn. With lag, it can be impossible to run out, depending on the severity of the lag.

I have had instances where I was 1 step outside of a WotL circle and not get hit (no lag). And I've had instances where I was nearly a full diameter out of a WotL circle but still got hit (extreme lag).

I will often relog if the lag is severe. The difference in difficulty between the two scenarios I described is tremendous. The fight is a joke without lag.