SE, Don't nerf old dungeons when new ones come out.

There are two ways to nerf an old dungeon:

1. You flat out make it easier, lower hp on mobs, easier mechanics, or dumbed down mechanics, or mechanics that just hit less so you can get hit by them and live easily.

2. You release new content where the gear is so much higher than the old content that you can wear the new gear and go face roll the old content.

I'm pleading that you do neither SE. If there was one thing I hated about wow, it was how they released their expansions and killed off relevant and (FUN!!!) content. If you make new content that out gears the old content by to much the old content becomes useless and the player base will stop running it.

I want to see 10 expansions come out and still have a reason to go run BCB and still want to go run BCB.

WOW is a huge game, but so much of their content is useless, you don't even see it, and you don't run the raids unless your doing it to kill time or fill achievements from previous expansions.... E.g. IceCrown Citadel was my fav raid. But I bet if I went and got Mists of Pandaria no one would run it with me because it's useless.

Please don't do that to Eorzea. If anything make content in Eorzea more relevant.

I would like this a million times if I could.

You already lost this battle. This game will never have horizontal grown. If they'll not nerf content itself, new content will just make old obsolete. It's stated everywhere, and it's coming. Nothing more to say.
Also, i cannot imagine horizontal grown with a linera gear progression. That kind of grown work if we could use a shitons of situational gear, and how we ever could ?

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

You already lost this battle. This game will never have horizontal grown. If they'll not nerf content itself, new content will just make old obsolete. It's stated everywhere, and it's coming. Nothing more to say.
Also, i cannot imagine horizontal grown with a linera gear progression. That kind of grown work if we could use a shitons of situational gear, and how we ever could ?

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It's doable with Magian trials, but we are going into ffxi-2 territory.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

It's doable with Magian trials, but we are going into ffxi-2 territory.

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don't name that things. I still wonder who's the mad who thinked would be fun making people fight soulflayers in thunderday for a step.
Btw, that wouldn't really make anything better here, would just a chain-like quest for a weapon like we already have for relic

I don't know why they have to nerf already super easy content.

None of the current content is really that fun anyway. Titan HM was exciting for a while, but Coil is super bland for the most part. Personally, I don't want to have to keep farming AK/WP two years down the road. Even if they were super fun dungeons, they wouldn't be later. Plus nothing really stops you from making groups for obsolete content anyway, and this does actually happen on other games too.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

You're really annoying and add nothing useful to discussions.

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Weren't you quitting?
And yeah, sucks for you guys that you won't feel special for playing a game.

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Originally Posted by Aethaeryn

None of the current content is really that fun anyway. Titan HM was exciting for a while, but Coil is super bland for the most part. Personally, I don't want to have to keep farming AK/WP two years down the road. Even if they were super fun dungeons, they wouldn't be later. Plus nothing really stops you from making groups for obsolete content anyway, and this does actually happen on other games too.

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Yeah I find coil turns 1-4 realllllly boring, especially as a healer. Titan hardmode is much more interesting and better designed.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

You're really annoying and add nothing useful to discussions.

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And yet all you do is complain about absolutely everything and threaten to quit almost weekly..>.>

Damn man the dungeons are already easy enough how the hell could he nerf them even more?

Since the level cap is 50 and gear keeps getting stronger, they can put a ilevel cap/scale down on your gear while in those dungeons. Similar to how they scale it down when you level sync. That would allow old content to still be challenging while not depriving people of wearing their new shiny gear. :)

Fact is you can't have progression without something becoming obsolete. Once you get whatever it is you wanted or needed from a dungeon it is essentially obsolete to you. Sure SE could make a raid that only drops the best boots for me and another that only drops the best chest, but once I get the chest and boots why would I go back to either? Situational gear is like the mentally challenged version of vertical progression as it becomes you need pieces x,y,z to move to the next dungeon because they are the only set to give enough earth resist to do Raid Alpha, which drops gear that works best in the rain to help you beat Raid Beta. Vertical gear at least directly says hey this is better than that last piece you used so you actually want/need this to move on.

Ok so you want the dungeons to be just as difficult as they are now, but forever?

...You realize how stupid that sounds when you say it out loud?

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Yeah I find coil turns 1-4 realllllly boring, especially as a healer. Titan hardmode is much more interesting and better designed.

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Man i dont understand this at all. I found coil extremely fun and rewarding. The rush i got from downing turn 4 for the first time was so awesome. Right up there with my memories of EQ (my first MMO).

They've already answered this concern before. Instead of destroying the content, what they plan to do is add a buff to help people clear them faster (same buff as seen in storyline).

While the buff my sound concerning, it's actually a removable buff. So this means you can always do content the way it was originally intended rather than nerfed fights.

Dear SE,

Please keep the game inaccessible to newer players. I like to feel good about myself.

Signed,
Alyko

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

I’m happy to see that you adventurers are up for a good challenge and ready to get down and dirty with some difficult content!

Of course in addition to supplementing the end-game with extreme battles and other challenging content, we will also reduce the difficulty of the existing high level content at the same time, as Yoshida has mentioned in previously during Letter from the Producer LIVE.

We're always reading and reporting your feedback, but please understand that when we introduce new content and supplement higher-level events, it allows us to ease up on earlier content. (Of course there will be things added in patch 2.1 that isn't focused on end-game.)

We’ll be announcing details about the specific content to be released in the near future, but I wanted to just remind you about the general plan.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...54#post1322554

Sorry OP but this is already going to happen...