So a few minutes ago some FC mates and I were talking about PvP and How the gear system may work. I know I'm not the only one here who hates having to PvP grind for a separate set of gear. If I don't do it in a quickly fashion I may as well give up. So there being the Morale stat on the Character page. So I suggested that the Morale just be based of off your average item level that way your not throwing your PvE gear out the window. I feel like its a good idea. I'd like to hear what some of you think.
Idea Concerning PvP
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11-13-2013, 06:22 AMGravyTrainIdea Concerning PvP
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11-13-2013, 06:40 AMashikenshinthere is pvp gear, there are pictures and it looks pretty badass. I don't know about your idea though. If you enjoy pvping then you will do it several times, if you do it several times you will get currency for gear, if you get gear you win more and you get more currency so you can get more gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravyTrain
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11-13-2013, 06:45 AMWolf_Heartnet
PvP gear is needed in my eyes. Not just for the "Morale" but also greatly needed for balancing. Some classes are too OP in pvp and others are too weak. What happens is, the stats are balanced out by making people get pvp gear. However, why would we get PvP gear if we can have PvE gear with stats that are better for our class/job? The answer to that is Morale. By making morale a neccesary stat for PvP, it forces people to pick up the pvp gear. However, when 2.1 comes out... theres gonna be alot of imbalance cause no one is wearing pvp gear at the start.
Anyways, im not saying this is the only form of balance. It is one of many forms and skills will be introduced just for pvp to create more balance between the classes/jobs.
Also, PvP i believe needs its own unique progression. While you can play PvP for "fun" alot of people won't enjoy it if there is no form of progression to show your hard work. Ranked PvP gear gives people something to work forward to aswell. -
11-13-2013, 07:40 AMparadigmshift
Ya know I know where you're coming from. I started MMO at 2004 Vanilla-WoW. I had the best end game gear possible, and it was awesome, I wrecked tons of faces in PvP. Sure the best PvP gear was certainly top notch, but the very tip top best was acquired in the newest PvE dungeons, so when the expansion came around that introduced Resiliance (a Morale persay), I was a bit stiffed that my PvE gear which I rated soo long and hard to get was now useless to this "other-gear." And so there was tons of issue about this new PvP stat and the uselessness of PvE gear that followed (although it wasn't a few expansions later that PvE gear was total trash in PvP). I work soooooo hard for this endgame gear and to not be able to show it off in PvP really blows, but it really blows for people that don't raid at all, dont' PvE, and have to subject themselves to play with our endgame gear. I dunno it's a back and forth topic, I have my wishes, but i needs to be fair in the end.
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11-13-2013, 07:55 AMMieyCyruuuus
please dont let pve gear be useful in pvp, thanks.
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11-13-2013, 07:57 AMThunderz
No, earn your gear
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11-13-2013, 08:03 AMliterally
You should never, under any circumstances, be able to obtain PvP gear through PvE. Period.
Going by OP's suggestion, you'd be able to PvE it up all day every day and then just waltz into PvP with all best in slot gear simply based on item level. Horrible, horrible idea. -
11-13-2013, 08:17 AMAlhanelem
Can we apply your "I don't want to earn gear" suggestion to PvE too?
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11-13-2013, 08:47 AMSylve
My only problem with tiered PvP sets is that if you start even a week later than everyone else, you basically can't win until you've lost enough to pick up a basic set.
Id rather a tiered appearance on PvP sets, rather than tiered stats. Get a basic set, earn currency via PvP to make it look better. PvP needs to be about skill, not who had the most time to grind up the best set. -
11-13-2013, 08:49 AMMieyCyruuuusRating requirement solves that. Better people gets better gears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
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11-13-2013, 09:20 AMMyrikoh joy more badge of honor tier style gear.. earn your fuckin gear.. this badge clone project sucked ass in wow and it sucks ass hear.. if you cant do content to earn gear then you don't get to have it.. the carebear badge system is in insult to the entire gaming community.. lets go over a week in ffxiv. log in Monday do 10 wp log in Tuesday do turn 1-4 wait till next week and do it again.. sounds exactly like every other boring mmo that people are sick of.. I was really hoping that this badge gear system would have died with wow but it seems like that is in the future here.. its boring with no feeling of real work/reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashikenshin
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11-13-2013, 09:24 AMMyrik
having to have a separate set of armor just to fight another player is fuckin stupid... always has been.. from any viewpoint... I mean these developers are SOOOOO worried about immersion and realism... why would anyone collect one set of armor to kill everything and then another just to kill other adventurers? its just more wasted armory slots.. im seeing a downward plunge in the future.. hopefully it is entertaining long enough to last until eqn..
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11-13-2013, 09:26 AMMieyCyruuuus
because being viable in pvp with gears earned in pve or the other way around is retarded on over 9000 levels.
work and earn for your gear(raids, rated arena), or go play single player games -
11-13-2013, 09:29 AMMyrik
pvp is supposed to be fun like this game was.. but it wont be.. because much like the pve portion to do anything is just a gear check. but that's fine lets make the entire game identical to wow.. which is losing half a million players every 6 months.. good idea. I thought they wanted this game to flourish but its a cash grab scheme same like a Korean mmo
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11-13-2013, 09:31 AMMyrikthey already did cry baby its called mythology/philosophy tombstones.. having 100 sets of gear is as stupid as your above comment is..Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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11-13-2013, 09:34 AMMarxam
I better be able to pivot back stab or I'm not gonna bother.
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11-13-2013, 09:06 PMSylveIf you mean a system by which players are separated by PvP ilvl, then what does getting higher ilvl pvp gear even mean? You'd be doing exactly the same damage to a player in high level pvp gear (assuming equal gear) as you were when you both had lower ilvl pvp sets.Quote:
Originally Posted by MieyCyruuuus
The higher player damage gets from base stats on the gear, the higher the defensive base stats needs to get to prevent a one shot.
PvP needs to be about personal skill and teamwork. Not about who has the best pvp set. Improve appearance, not stats. Let everyone know you're a PvP badass by looking amazing, Not by having better stats than the other team.
For example, if the Darklight appearance was for base pvp sets and the Coil appearance was for skilled players, then when you see someone in that gear you think *wow they must be good!* and not just *wow, they must of grinded a ton for that*
An ilvl progression system on pvp gear means there needs to be a reward even when you lose. Kinda like WoW pvp, where the losing side gets half as much Honor as the winning side so that even in defeat they can still progress their gear.
In a world where the only improvements to your gear was cosmetic, winning a match becomes a goal worth working towards, not like in other games where you can AFK your way through a hundred pvp rounds and STILL buy the best gear.
Want the best looking armor?
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11-13-2013, 11:41 PMMieyCyruuuus
Rating = win%, not grind.
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11-13-2013, 11:56 PMashikenshin
Wow this is news to me, the pvp in wow sucked for some reason. I enjoyed the crap out of it.
In vanilla wow you could be the best in battlegrounds with gear from blackwing lair. I used to be king with my pve gear and then they introduced pvp gear. And after that, my pve loving person kept losing to the pvp oriented people. The way is meant to be.
After that, you could only buy gear for your rank. We pvp'd the crap out of that game and got to marshall. (no sleep and multiple people taking turns with one character) It's not fun like that. After they introduced the badge of honor system it's a lot better. You may not like it because you like to torture yourself but for everyone else it rocks. -
11-14-2013, 12:44 AMSylveThey could still have a win/loss bracket system so people of like skill play against people of like skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by MieyCyruuuus
Theres still room for abuse in that system though, especially with a progression based gear system, it's easy enough to tank your rating while super well geared and decimate the unfortunates who just barely got started.
That sort of system exists in WoWs Arena brackets. Didn't stop full S3 Tournament winners from disbanding a team and making a new one with a low rating so they get matched against fresh 70s back in Burning Crusade.
My point is that ilvl tiers of pvp gear is pointless. Having one set that upgrades cosmetically (This could be done by accumulating Win Tokens and turning them in for the next better looking set), with a DF that smart matches you with players of similar win percentages is the way to go.