The addition of daily quests in 2.1

How does everybody feel about this? Excited for the new patch but I loathe dailes.

It's lazy content design. Other content such as dungeons, crafting, or housing do a better job of making things feel less like filler, whereas I can't do a single daily in a game without being painfully cognizant that all I'm doing is wasting time.

Even WoW, a game that relied on them so heavily, has finally gotten rid of them. They decided that it was a bad design mechanic. Few enjoy doing the same menial tasks over and over daily, and fewer like to feel forced to. (Spamming dungeons for tomes can feel similar but having a week to reach the cap allows you at least some flexibility and dungeons are inherently better than 5 or 6 "kill x number of y" quests.)

Hopefully dailies won't be necessary. But so many promise "optional" dailies then tie gear and other important benefits to them making them de facto-mandatory, so I have some apprehensions.

Is anybody happy about it?

I'm happy as it will give me more options for getting Tomes each day.

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It's lazy content design. Other content such as dungeons, crafting, or housing do a better job of making things feel less like filler, whereas I can't do a single daily in a game without being painfully cognizant that all I'm doing is wasting time.

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Seeing as it's not released yet you're pretty much crystal balling doom based on your experience in other games.

The dailies/weeklies w/e are intended to bring people back into lower level dungeons to increase the amount of population doing them. They're also intended to provide us with a better variety of ways to acquire tomes.

Both of these sound like excellent ideas, and I'm not willing to make early judgement on content that hasn't been released yet.

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We also plan to update the Duty Finder. As there are a significant number of updates planned, we're considering focusing on this during the next Letter from the Producer LIVE. One particular addition I'd like to briefly mention is random matching. This is a matching feature that will let you join instances at random after choosing one of several categories such as "leveling dungeons," "high-level dungeons," "main scenario primal battles," etc. By using random matching, you'll be able to obtain Allagan tomestones once a day for each category. After selecting a category for random matching, you will join whichever instance has the fastest matching speed. This feature will also make it easier for new players who are progressing through low level dungeons and story primal battles to be matched up.

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When it comes to acquiring Allagan tomestones, we realize there are only a handful of options for obtaining them at the moment, but in patch 2.1 we'll be adding three new dungeons, extreme mode primal battles, Crystal Tower, beastmen daily quests, and treasure hunts, all of which will allow players to obtain Allagan tomestones. Although there are currently a mix of players who want to run through content efficiently to obtain tomestones and those who want to progress at their own pace which causes tension in Duty Finder parties, we feel this problem will be resolved when we add more methods to tomestones.

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I see no mention of anything being compulsory, I assume there might be gear from stuff like Beastmen dailies and treasure hunts, but it seems purely optional. More news will be coming in the Live letter coming up later this month.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Seeing as it's not released yet you're pretty much crystal balling doom based on your experience in other games.

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Thanks for the responses. But first, let's not jump to conclusions--I never crystal balled any doom. I only said I dislike the concept of dailies. This was not a "sky is falling" post.

The posts you referenced do sound pretty cool and I agree if the dailies are of a different variety found in other games it could be cool. Like if they consisted of running random lower-level dungeons for tomes once a day, for example. I don't see "beastmen dailies" (solely based on the title, of course, I could be proven wrong) being much different from the variety currently found in other MMOs.

As I said I'm looking forward to the patch just dislike dailies and wanted to see what others thought of them.

I'll take any new way of obtaining tomestones, ESPECIALLY ones where I don't have to rely on other people so heavily, therefore, daily quests sound like a nice new addition.

hrm...the idea of dailies doesn't bother me too much. I actually thought they were being implemented as a way to earn gil.
I was super excited about treasure hunting, but a bit bummed to see that the rewards for those seem to be just more tomes. Ah well, I'll wait n' see what they're all about.

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As I said I'm looking forward to the patch just dislike dailies and wanted to see what others thought of them.

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It's probably a valid concern, I found dailies/weeklies pretty tedious in SWTOR. We already have that sort of grind with tomes though, and SE typically do pretty well in terms of content variety, so I'm looking forward to it.

It seems redundant on top of leves. I know noone uses leves for anything but gathering and crafting, but the easy solution would just be to separate exp/daily leve tally from gathering/crafting level tally.

In this way, it also enables people who don't get on every day to still aquire as much as someone who does.

I don't mind daily quests if there's just a few of them. The problem WoW had was that everything in Mists of Pandaria was tied to dailies; gear, reputation, mounts, etc. With the addition of removing of the daily quest limit, it felt like you had to do all of them if you wanted to be competitive, which easily amounted to around 50 or so. If you had any alts then this number multiplied.

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Originally Posted by Steeled

It seems redundant on top of leves. I know noone uses leves for anything but gathering and crafting, but the easy solution would just be to separate exp/daily leve tally from gathering/crafting level tally.

In this way, it also enables people who don't get on every day to still aquire as much as someone who does.

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Battleleves get their XP boosted with 2.1, along with Dungeon XP.

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Originally Posted by Guyjin37

I think a lot of you are right on in that if they offer more variety to get something needed (tomes) then why not? Different is good. And that way I could choose not to do them, so everyone's a winner in my eyes.

And that's likely what they will be like in the end so it could end up being good.

What would you think about them if there were gated rewards that you could get only by doing the dailies?

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hmmm... Well, at the moment we've got the Weeklies (Myth Cap + Coil)... That's the only current way to get iL90 gear...

IMO, as long as the Grind isn't too bad (ie: doesn't actually require doing 7 specific quests on 7 different days of the week, resetting each week) it should be fine... I think...

I think a lot of you are right on in that if they offer more variety to get something needed (tomes) then why not? Different is good. And that way I could choose not to do them, so everyone's a winner in my eyes.

And that's likely what they will be like in the end so it could end up being good.

What would you think about them if there were gated rewards that you could get only by doing the dailies?

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Originally Posted by Espon

I don't mind daily quests if there's just a few of them. The problem WoW had was that everything in Mists of Pandaria was tied to dailies; gear, reputation, mounts, etc. With the addition of removing of the daily quest limit, it felt like you had to do all of them if you wanted to be competitive, which easily amounted to around 50 or so. If you had any alts then this number multiplied.

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Yeah that's exactly why I don't like them--oftentimes, as in WoW, dailies become mandatory despite being "completely optional" because gear etc. is tied to them.

Think of it this way.

More content is better than less content, even if it is only dailies.

The current levequests are enough. "Real daily quests" are a horrible thing and they should not exist in any game.

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Originally Posted by Marael

I'll take any new way of obtaining tomestones, ESPECIALLY ones where I don't have to rely on other people so heavily, therefore, daily quests sound like a nice new addition.

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I also play massively multiplayer online role playing games to play alone.

I think it'd be preferable if you just have some level 50 Levequests that actually rewarded something useful. It doesn't have to be tomes, though I'm not sure what else can possibly be useful at this point in the game.

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Originally Posted by Zikh

The current levequests are enough. "Real daily quests" are a horrible thing and they should not exist in any game.

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Too bad that Yoshi P is obsessed with WoW and still thinks it is a relevant game.

Stopped being relevant since WotLK as far as I am concerned.

I think this is mostly related to the random dungeon system they are adding with the patch. Yoshi said that we would be able to do 1 RANDOM dungeon of each type (leveling, lv50, primal, etc) per day for myth tomes, if we did it more than once we wouldn't receive the tomes, I think that is all the daily quests are going to be

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Originally Posted by Sanctus

I think this is mostly related to the random dungeon system they are adding with the patch. Yoshi said that we would be able to do 1 RANDOM dungeon of each type (leveling, lv50, primal, etc) per day for myth tomes, if we did it more than once we wouldn't receive the tomes, I think that is all the daily quests are going to be

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Eh, I doubt it, but even then.. Where did that idea come from.. Hm..

WORLD OF WARCRAFT.

Yoshi P, broskie, can you make anything original? I'm sorry, but is this game Final Fantasy XIV: World of Warcraft Reborn or what?

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It isn't like myth is hard to get. WP takes what.. 10-25 minutes? You can easily cap 300 myth in a day, even if you work or go to school.

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Originally Posted by Sanctus

I think this is mostly related to the random dungeon system they are adding with the patch. Yoshi said that we would be able to do 1 RANDOM dungeon of each type (leveling, lv50, primal, etc) per day for myth tomes, if we did it more than once we wouldn't receive the tomes, I think that is all the daily quests are going to be

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If that ends up being the case then I have no complaints. Would be absolutely fun to run old random dungeon a day and get tomes as a bonus.

Just thinking "Beastmen dailies" sounds like killing mobs from the various beastmen tribes.

I like dailies. *shrug*

Yes, they can get boring but along with dailies they are adding in several other avenues to obtaining tomes. This I think is good where unlike WoW you have to grind faction reps with the dailies, which kind of forces you in a way to do them. Here there is no faction rep to grind, just tomes. Which I find is much better than grinding the same dungeons over and over again for tomes.

Lets me pick and chose on how I feel that day on how I want to obtain my daily intake of tomes.

I hope they don't bungle it and make the daily quest give fewer tomes than AK.

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Originally Posted by Sanctus

I think this is mostly related to the random dungeon system they are adding with the patch. Yoshi said that we would be able to do 1 RANDOM dungeon of each type (leveling, lv50, primal, etc) per day for myth tomes, if we did it more than once we wouldn't receive the tomes, I think that is all the daily quests are going to be

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Just wonderful dungeon roulette, Ill pass lol. Im sorry only dungeons I wanna run are the one's that dont cap my level.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I hope they don't bungle it and make the daily quest give fewer tomes than AK.

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If the Daily Quest isn't of difficulty equal to AK, it should give less tomes than AK. If the Daily Quest is more difficult and time consuming than AK, it should give more tomes than AK.

Ifrit HM = ~5 minutes / 1 run. 1 run = 4 Mythology.
Garuda HM = ~7 minutes / 1 run. 1 run = 10 Mythology.
Wanderer P= ~30-35 minutes / 1 run. 1 run = 30 Mythology.
Amdapor K = ~35-40 minutes / 1 run. 1 run = 40 Mythology.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I disagree completely, as the daily quest is daily, and AK is as many times a day as you can. Since it is limited it should give more tomes. If it's not a better way of getting more tomes then everyone would just keep spamming AK/WP.

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I disagree wholeheartedly with your statement. What reason would people run AK and WP then, if they could just log in 4 different days in a week and collect 300 tomes from doing simple solo quests?

I really think that the Dailies will give more of an Garuda-Titan HM level reward than an AK/WP reward.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

I also play massively multiplayer online role playing games to play alone.

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I role play someone who likes to be self-sufficient and alone sometimes.:eek:

I'm all for any variety we get. I hope things don't get too easy, but options are very nice. People like choices.

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Originally Posted by Johnist

If the Daily Quest isn't of difficulty equal to AK, it should give less tomes than AK. If the Daily Quest is more difficult and time consuming than AK, it should give more tomes than AK.

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I disagree completely, as the daily quest is daily, and AK is as many times a day as you can. Since it is limited it should give more tomes. If it's not a better way of getting more tomes then everyone would just keep spamming AK/WP.

I don't mind dailies so long as it's only one avenue for content I can obtain through other means.

It's when it feels like I'll be left behind if I don't do them is when it becomes a problem. Mythology tombstones are already kind of like that.

What I'd like to know at this point then (hopefully all will be revealed during the live letter) is what rewards these dailies will have. Because as a lot of you are saying if it's tomes then I think it's great since that just gives another option of getting what everybody needs.

But if certain rewards are only available through dailies then I won't be so enthused. Hate logging on to do a set of boring quests every single day in a game because I essentially have to to stay competitive. Feels like a job (or worse, torture).

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Originally Posted by misterrpg

Too bad that Yoshi P is obsessed with WoW and still thinks it is a relevant game.

Stopped being relevant since WotLK as far as I am concerned.

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