Don't Be Greedy!

Do you really need it all? I can't be the only one who gets kinda annoyed when I see people pulling multiple camps together or making the rounds when there's other people trying to farm as well.

Is it really that hard to back off of one spot if you see someone there?

I know that some of this, if not a lot, is probably bots farming but... If you're an actual player and you're guilty of the above, could you please show just a little common courtesy? Keep to one or two spots and give others the chance to farm drops ^^ Most of the mobs that are being farmed have a fairly decent respawn rate so it really would not kill someone to sit for a moment at one spot.

respawn rate in here sux, that's why most ppl like to make a path of full time killing. and i wouldn't let anyone get it easy, if a mob is red for me, i wont let it go. if u want some, then tag first.

The only thing that annoys me is when someone is farming a mob I need for a quest or hunting log. Otherwise the game is unfortunately designed to make farming easy by clustering all of one mob in a tiny area and making respawns fast and predictable.

Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly:

People who are farming a lot of mobs, are greedy.

People who show up and demand that they not farm so many so that THEY can now have the mobs instead, are not?

Farming in this game is a joke... There's what, 3 items in the game that even need farmed? There are so much better ways of making Gil and way more efficient.

Pulling everything is a bad idea unless you're sure everyone else is a good guy (and thus will back off from your territory). This is because the ability to tag anything is limited to 1 per GCD (mobs generally are way too spaced out to tag them with AEs), so if you get someone angry enough, you basically end up splitting the camp which is likely not what you intended. As is true in most prisonner's dilemma scenario, the optimal strategy is start off being a nice guy and then switch to being a jerk if anyone dared to cross you.

BLM Scathe is pretty good at tagging everything. When I'm in a fate pt on my BLM I generally get 4+ pages of tags just spamming scathe. And when it's up I swift cast Fire II. And if a bunch of mobs are on me not tagged, swift cast blizzard II.

Invite them to party and share the loot :) Makes farming less boring even though you get slightly less loot.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly:

People who are farming a lot of mobs, are greedy.

People who show up and demand that they not farm so many so that THEY can now have the mobs instead, are not?

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The farmer is being greedy by not giving up 4 or so mobs. It's rather difficult for melee to tag a mob before ranged that have instant attacks and can typically find a spot to tag all mobs with a quick tab/attack rotation. The melee pretty much has to learn where a mob is going to spawn for a chance of getting one by standing on that very spot and spamming the class's fastest animated attack. Seeing how you have a level 50 archer, you should know this.

If your class has a tagging advantage over your competitor there is more incentive to be a jerk. That said, from my farming experiences, people will rarely actually compete against you in any well defined camp, because they know that is difficult unless you're a melee and they're a BLM. However, people will compete against you when you try to cover more than 1 camp. What they can do is simply help you kill the mobs on camp 2 that's not within casting range from camp 1. This ensures all the mobs in camp 2 will respawn before the guy is done with camp 1 the next cycle, and then he'd be pretty helpless to tag those mobs from that point on, as now the mobs are respawning too fast for him to cover with his own DPS.

Someone in my FC told an anecdote about how someone at the Burning Wall told him to go away because the Golden Fleece were his. All 50 spawns of them.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly:

People who are farming a lot of mobs, are greedy.

People who show up and demand that they not farm so many so that THEY can now have the mobs instead, are not?

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No, you're not understanding correctly.

Let's take sheep, for example. There are about a dozen sets of 3 sheep each around Coerthas. Let's say there is a person who is farming one group. There's another group nearby that no one is farming.

Is it greedy to farm the empty group? No, of course not.
Is it greedy to farm both the empty group and to try to out-tag the person who was there for the other group? Yes, it definitely is.

The real dicks farming are the guys that get the entire spawn area claimed and they just sit there getting wailed on, not dieing, and not killing them. You can kill them yourself, but get no items (he/she does), and then they do it again.

I'll never understand why SE thinks it's fun for players to compete for mob spawns. It's really not. It's annoying, frustrating - and I am of the firm belief it was the HNM hunting that held Final Fantasy 11 back from being the genre defining success it could have been.

So I support the spirit of your post 100%. SE needs to wipe this concept from their Dev playbook and never re-visit it. It was a failed idea that no one but a tiny tiny minority of players could ever enjoy. Get rid of it and don't bring it back. Ever.

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Welcome to the Final Fantasy forums, everyone is in competition for everything, and time is money :P there are considerate ppl who would be nice to you, and then there are jerks who just don't care what you do or think. But as long as their not violating their account or anything or harassing you in any other way it's just plain fair game on mobs. Imagine waiting on a 24hour spawn with 200 people there waiting to claim it all for themselves at the same time! N if it's bots report them square will get to them one year.

I farm mobs that drop mats that I need: this ranges from Aldgoats to Apkallu to Banemites to Karakuls and beyond. If someone is already there, I don't bother them, however if the spawns aren't occupied, you better believe I'm going to Aero and Holy as many clusters of mobs as possible. If you just walk in without saying anything and start killing mobs, I'm not obligated to oblige you. If I'm in a good mood I may offer to party up (you'll get a lot more chances at items with me AoEing mobs, this is me being nice), and if I'm offered, sure, what the hell, I'll party up usually.

But when you just come in and start tagging the mobs I'm obviously going for, you're just competition.

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Originally Posted by Amnesia

Let's take sheep, for example. There are about a dozen sets of 3 sheep each around Coerthas. Let's say there is a person who is farming one group. There's another group nearby that no one is farming.

Is it greedy to farm the empty group? No, of course not.
Is it greedy to farm both the empty group and to try to out-tag the person who was there for the other group? Yes, it definitely is.

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This is exactly what I meant, I guess I just could not think of the right way to word it.
I'm not sitting here going "How dare you try to make money/get the materials you need!" What I'm trying to say is "Does it really hurt you that much to let others do the same?"
I'd gladly welcome a party invite or lend a hand if someone wanted to share a spot. Hell most times I will have a silent agreement when it comes to camps like sheep, keeping to one side while letting them farm the other no matter what class they are.

(stupid character limit o3o)

I don't bother a spot if I see someone is already there, it'd be nice for others to do the same or if they're really that hard up for cash or materials to ask if I'd share. Because I will share! I've even handed out fleece to someone once, poor guy could not tag any mobs cause of people taking up spots and not wanting to share. He only needed 6 pieces of fleece xD So it's seeing stuff like that where no one wanted to give up their spot for a little bit or let him tag a few until he got what he needed that kinda rubs me the wrong way. I guess I just like to treat others how I'd like to be treated ^^

I agree people need to be less greedy. I was farming some fleece north of dragonhead. I was there for about one hour alone, then a SMN come and start killing. I leave the left side for him and stay on the right side so we both can get some. Do you think he wanted fairplay? He started out-tagging all the sheeps, even with me running toward them. Speaking of d-bags.

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Originally Posted by Edenholt

I agree people need to be less greedy. I was farming some fleece north of dragonhead. I was there for about one hour alone, then a SMN come and start killing. I leave the left side for him and stay on the right side so we both can get some. Do you think he wanted fairplay? He started out-tagging all the sheeps, even with me running toward them. Speaking of d-bags.

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Indeed. I've had black mages (they're the worst in my experience) follow me around and deliberately wait til I'm running towards a sheep, and then blast it with wrack or whatever their instant-cast ranged attack is; I had a rather enlightening conversation with one black mage; who revealled they didn't even need fleece. They just enjoyed forcing people to go home, they saw it as their little PvP game, finding a farmer and the harrassing them til they quit farming.

I admit I'm greedy when it comes to this. If I got an area to myself and someone comes along, I'm not going to leave anything available if I can tag it first. I hate having to farm things and would much rather finish things as soon as possible, and competing for spawns just slows things down.

However it also kind of goes both ways for me. If I arrive at a farming area and someone's already there, I'll go look for some other place to farm since I wouldn't want to slow down their farming.

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Originally Posted by Klutz64

The only thing that annoys me is when someone is farming a mob I need for a quest or hunting log. Otherwise the game is unfortunately designed to make farming easy by clustering all of one mob in a tiny area and making respawns fast and predictable.

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If you consider this mobbing. You need to go and try some really old school MMOs where we could pick up the entire map, aoe it all at once, crash the server. ;)

If someone is trying to tag every spot undermine them and tag the spot they were at before. Mobs spawn in clusters and if they venture outside the cluster they risk missing the respawn. If they are over-extended it should be easy to undermine them, and they will retreat in the face of strong competition (unless they are a bot, those guys just suck, but bots tend to be weak competition as they tend to stay still and attack only in their range).

Farming is just perfect competition, few give consideration so why should someone start. You have to just deal with it. You can preach for everyone to share if you like but it will probably earn you less fleece or whatever you're farming than simply trying to beat them at their own game.

FWIW I do give some consideration; if there is a non-50 trying to attack for quests, logs or whatever i'll tag then enemy and let them finish it off, giving them credit for the kill but I still get the items. It's win win and I have nothing to lose doing this.

Just think of it as a competitive thing, nothing wrong with friendly competition.

I farm alot and I see it all. I've had players get mad at me. I've had players apologize for "infringing". I've had players tell me to get lost and had players ask if they can have some mobs.

I don't really see a problem overall but the one thing that does bother me is when players "kite" the mobs in one area, meaning they "tag" every mob to claim them and then AoE them or kill one at a time.

Btw, in Coerthas there is a GuildLeve "Necrologos: Cinerary Rite." which spawns a bunch of sheep, once you kill 5 the Pudding Boss spawns which sometimes drops Pudding Flesh which sells for a lot on the AH (It is needed for an Alchemy Guild Test and is hard to get).
If you have some Leve Allowances, it is a decent alternative for farming Fleece with no competition.