I really hope my Issue doesn't get nerfed

So I played Paladin 50 for about a week, finishing the main story quest series, beating Ultimate Weapon, starting Relic Weapon quest. All of this EXP pushed the little "bonus EXP" thing all the way past a full blue bar (562,000) for a few days. But I went and unlocked Miner and I LOST IT ALL - over half-a-million - GONE.

I submitted the report to a GM using "Support Desk" via the in-game interface. I was answered with "Go to SE Support and submit a trouble ticket." I did. THEY replied with "Submit an in-game bug report." I did that too, only to have someone on this forum try to "answer" it with "It's not a bug, you just used up a whole 'bar' going from Miner 1 to 2."

This is slowing down level progression of my other combat jobs because I simply do not have enough quests to get EXP. All that's left is FATE grinding or levequests.

Can I get some THOUGHT on my report before someone just shouts out a statement that doesn't answer my question?

It doesn't work that way. Rested is a % of level(s). Caps out around 1.5-2 levels. So just because it's several hundred thousand for a high level class, doesn't mean you get that much for a low level one. Also, you didn't get it by getting XP past cap. It's rested XP, comes from being in a sanctuary.

Bonus xp isn't a static number its percentile I'd assume that unlocking miner gave you a signficant percentage thus spending it all.

Did you level up on your miner? Cause I think the "bonus exp" in relative to your current job. In other words if you saved a full bar of bonus exp that is a full bar. Not 500k exp. But a bar. Meaning if you switched to miner and level up one, you might have actually USED what you saved up.

I'm not sure how you managed to get through the entire game before noticing how rested exp works.

There's even a quest that explains it as part of the newbie quest chain.

I was literally watching as I was doing raid runs on Paladin at level 50. At first, I was under the impression that once you hit level 50, you just stopped getting EXP. However, as I kept clearing missions, my "rested EXP" bar kept getting bigger and bigger. I wasn't in a sanctuary. I never set foot in one. I just pushed through Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium. I WATCHED this bar get bigger and bigger until it finally filled up and turned blue.

Clearly, that implies that the thousands and thousands of EXP from those runs were going somewhere.

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Originally Posted by FFXIhealer

I was literally watching as I was doing raid runs on Paladin at level 50. At first, I was under the impression that once you hit level 50, you just stopped getting EXP. However, as I kept clearing missions, my "rested EXP" bar kept getting bigger and bigger. I wasn't in a sanctuary. I never set foot in one. I just pushed through Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium. I WATCHED this bar get bigger and bigger until it finally filled up and turned blue.

Clearly, that implies that the thousands and thousands of EXP from those runs were going somewhere.

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It doesn't though. Any XP earned at cap does nothing. There is no mechanic in place for it. All there is, is rested.

No. Doesn't work that way.

But my point is, it's a possible flaw in the game mechanic and people just keep trying to tell me "that's how it is."

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Originally Posted by FFXIhealer

But my point is, it's a possible flaw in the game mechanic and people just keep trying to tell me "that's how it is."

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Except it's not. It really IS that way. You don't earn bonus XP by doing quests and such at Cap. There is only rested XP, which slowly accumulates when in a Sanctuary, online or offline. This rested XP is also, as we have said, a percentage of a level, capping out around 150% to 200% or 1.5 to 2 levels. It's not a fixed amount of XP. This is explained in game like one person said, and is pretty much the same way OTHER games do it as well.

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Originally Posted by FFXIhealer

But my point is, it's a possible flaw in the game mechanic and people just keep trying to tell me "that's how it is."

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It's not a flaw in the game, it's how it was designed. Rested xp is a percentage of your xp bar, not a static amount. At level 1 your bar fills up a lot faster than at level 49. Using your rested xp on a level 1 job as you did, is a waste.

And where, exactly, were you waiting out time between your storyline dungeons and stuff, and where did you log off? Was there a big glowing crystaly thingy? Yeah, dude, that's a sanctuary. All towns with an Aetheryte, and your inn room in cities are sanctuaries where you earn rested xp even while logged out of the game. You do not earn rested xp by doing ANYTHING but standing in a sanctuary. You can tell that it's a sanctuary because of the little crecent moon icon near your xp bar, FYI. Next time you build up rested xp, don't waste it on a level 1 job. Now you know how it works. You got a tutorial entry on this the first time you stepped into a town with an aetheryte. You can go look it up in your logs ingame right now. Allowing static amounts would break the game, making it far too easy to level alternated classes up. Not that it's all that hard anyway. It's called balance.

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Originally Posted by FFXIhealer

But my point is, it's a possible flaw in the game mechanic and people just keep trying to tell me "that's how it is."

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But it is how it is...or how it should be...or how it design to be...
SE doesn't want to 'force' player to log out with a lv50 class. Also if in the way you want this to work, it will be too much boost, since one overnight rest on a lv50 class may generate enough bonus exp to level a new class from 1 - 20.
The game is not design to let ppl rely on the bonus exp to level up, it's just a little extra help.
When 2.1 comes there will be more ways to level up but for now, sadly we have to do FATE (or you can use the bonus exp to do low level dungeon once a day).

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Originally Posted by FFXIhealer

I was literally watching as I was doing raid runs on Paladin at level 50. At first, I was under the impression that once you hit level 50, you just stopped getting EXP. However, as I kept clearing missions, my "rested EXP" bar kept getting bigger and bigger. I wasn't in a sanctuary. I never set foot in one. I just pushed through Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium. I WATCHED this bar get bigger and bigger until it finally filled up and turned blue.

Clearly, that implies that the thousands and thousands of EXP from those runs were going somewhere.

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I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong.

rested bonus xp only applies to mob xp or crafting xp or mining xp. Quest Completion xp will push the rested bonus xp further (meaning it's separate), except when you are at a capped job it will not push any further.

It's designed as such since 1.0

It just means, You need to use you're rested EXP on your highest job beside level capped jobs. As you slowly level stuff up it's becomes more useful.

It used to work that way in 1.23, if you gained rested XP at 50 it kept all your bonus exp and didn't instantly disappear even if you switched to a level 1 class, that's how I leveled most of my DoH and DoLs. Usually a week or so of rested lasted a good 15-20 something levels from level 1.

But hey ARR is perfect and flawless so there you go.

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Originally Posted by Roris

It used to work that way in 1.23, if you gained rested XP at 50 it kept all your bonus exp and didn't instantly disappear even if you switched to a level 1 class, that's how I leveled most of my DoH and DoLs. Usually a week or so of rested lasted a good 15-20 something levels from level 1.

But hey ARR is perfect and flawless so there you go.

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And you don't think that's broken at all? LOL

Think of it this way, you got level 2 really fast.

Glass half full.

It is not a flaw in the mechanic, it is a flaw in how it is displayed/interpreted by you.

You had 100% rested XP for one level,50 to level 51.

OR -one level from 1 to 2.
As you can see, the best way to use it would be at higher levels.

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

And you don't think that's broken at all? LOL

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Not really, after all the first 15 levels are just a tutorial like Yoshi P said anyway, right? By the time you hit level 30 a week only gave about 2-3 levels at best and by 40 it only gave you 1-2 levels at most. It capped at about a week of rested XP anyway. Mind you it was still just an XP bonus so you still had to work to get it, only thing that didn't change.

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Originally Posted by FFXIhealer

I was literally watching as I was doing raid runs on Paladin at level 50. At first, I was under the impression that once you hit level 50, you just stopped getting EXP. However, as I kept clearing missions, my "rested EXP" bar kept getting bigger and bigger. I wasn't in a sanctuary. I never set foot in one. I just pushed through Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium. I WATCHED this bar get bigger and bigger until it finally filled up and turned blue.

Clearly, that implies that the thousands and thousands of EXP from those runs were going somewhere.

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Sanctuaries are any villege on the map with a aetherite crystal. When there's a moon sign under the exp bar then you're in a sanctuary.

You probably filled the bar while waiting for DF or forming a party.

Plus you dont get exp points once you reach 50.

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Originally Posted by KhalidTheGreat

Plus you dont get exp points once you reach 50.

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http://i.imgur.com/0nDDQ73.jpg

/shrug

I'm also under the impression that any XP gained from mobs will go towards spiritbonding gear, but XP gained message just wont show up.

The only reason you got that experience message is because your chocobo is out. For some reason, at 50, it still says you gain experience when your chocobo is out, even though you don't technically gain any, only your chocobo if it isn't capped.

As upset and unfortunate this is for the OP, this thread has some good information. I knew the general details on rested XP like only use it on your highest class that's not capped and there is a limit on how much rested XP you can accumulate. However, I didn't know that it caps out at 1.5 to 2 levels of your current class. Now I wish I logged out on my 30 THM I'm leveling instead of logging out on the ACN I leveled to 5 just so I could have psychic for BLM...

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Originally Posted by FFXIhealer

I was literally watching as I was doing raid runs on Paladin at level 50. At first, I was under the impression that once you hit level 50, you just stopped getting EXP. However, as I kept clearing missions, my "rested EXP" bar kept getting bigger and bigger. I wasn't in a sanctuary. I never set foot in one. I just pushed through Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium. I WATCHED this bar get bigger and bigger until it finally filled up and turned blue.

Clearly, that implies that the thousands and thousands of EXP from those runs were going somewhere.

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No, It does not work this way. That bar only fills when you are in sanctuaries such as the outposts with Aetheryte crystals and the inn in town. It absolutely does not fill when killing enemies. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how this system works. Also, as other users have pointed out the bonus exp works as a percentage of a level. So if you have a full bar that means you get an exp boost for a full level. If you are a level 1 job then that means you will exhaust the entirety of your bonus extremely fast. If you were on a higher level job you will get much much more exp out of the bonus. So use it wisely.

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Originally Posted by FFXIhealer

So I played Paladin 50 for about a week, finishing the main story quest series, beating Ultimate Weapon, starting Relic Weapon quest. All of this EXP pushed the little "bonus EXP" thing all the way past a full blue bar (562,000) for a few days. But I went and unlocked Miner and I LOST IT ALL - over half-a-million - GONE.

I submitted the report to a GM using "Support Desk" via the in-game interface. I was answered with "Go to SE Support and submit a trouble ticket." I did. THEY replied with "Submit an in-game bug report." I did that too, only to have someone on this forum try to "answer" it with "It's not a bug, you just used up a whole 'bar' going from Miner 1 to 2."

This is slowing down level progression of my other combat jobs because I simply do not have enough quests to get EXP. All that's left is FATE grinding or levequests.

Can I get some THOUGHT on my report before someone just shouts out a statement that doesn't answer my question?

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There isn't actually a question in your op, other than the bolded part.

And the answer has been covered by more or less everyone. You probably should have read the tutorial pop-up.

Are we sure the cap is at two levels? I've had a bunch of rested exp due to hanging out in Rev Toll but I leveled my THM from 15 -> 26 this weekend and not once did the exp bar become not capped for rested exp.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

http://i.imgur.com/0nDDQ73.jpg

/shrug

I'm also under the impression that any XP gained from mobs will go towards spiritbonding gear, but XP gained message just wont show up.

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that's your chocobo gaining xp. Message is wrong but it's that.

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Originally Posted by xRitzx

As upset and unfortunate this is for the OP, this thread has some good information. I knew the general details on rested XP like only use it on your highest class that's not capped and there is a limit on how much rested XP you can accumulate. However, I didn't know that it caps out at 1.5 to 2 levels of your current class. Now I wish I logged out on my 30 THM I'm leveling instead of logging out on the ACN I leveled to 5 just so I could have psychic for BLM...

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When we say current class, we mean the one you're using it on. Getting 1.5 levels of rested, while being on a 50, won't give you massive amounts for a low level. It will still be 1.5 levels for the low level. Hence the percentage.

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Originally Posted by Starfox71rt

Are we sure the cap is at two levels? I've had a bunch of rested exp due to hanging out in Rev Toll but I leveled my THM from 15 -> 26 this weekend and not once did the exp bar become not capped for rested exp.

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Yes. The reason it seems to last longer is that it ONLY applies to Experience gained from kills/crafts/gathers. Leve/Fate/Quest XP doesn't use it at all, so it can seem to last longer than you'd think. If you ground out the whole amount it would be the right amount.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Yes. The reason it seems to last longer is that it ONLY applies to Experience gained from kills/crafts/gathers. Leve/Fate/Quest XP doesn't use it at all, so it can seem to last longer than you'd think. If you ground out the whole amount it would be the right amount.

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That's the thing though. While I'm not arguing that it is more than 2 levels, I didn't just FATE grind. I threw a couple of dungeons in there as well as participated in FATEs in which you also get exp from killing the monsters themselves. When you say 2 levels, do you mean only the extra exp gained from the rested bonus counts against the amount stored?

For example, if I gained 300 exp (100%). 150 exp from the monster kill, 75 from armory bonus, and then 75 from rested. Does only the 75/total exp for that level * 100 count against my rested bonus?

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Originally Posted by ispano

When we say current class, we mean the one you're using it on. Getting 1.5 levels of rested, while being on a 50, won't give you massive amounts for a low level. It will still be 1.5 levels for the low level. Hence the percentage.

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Yes I understand that and under that assumption since I logged out on a level 5 ACN, I will only gain 1.5 levels of rested XP based on level 5. Now if you gain the same amount of rested XP if you log out on a level 1 class as you do a level 50 class (I highly doubt this), then the class you log out as doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Starfox71rt

That's the thing though. While I'm not arguing that it is more than 2 levels, I didn't just FATE grind. I threw a couple of dungeons in there as well as participated in FATEs in which you also get exp from killing the monsters themselves. When you say 2 levels, do you mean only the extra exp gained from the rested bonus counts against the amount stored?

For example, if I gained 300 exp (100%). 150 exp from the monster kill, 75 from armory bonus, and then 75 from rested. Does only the 75/total exp for that level * 100 count against my rested bonus?

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Basically it says that while rested lasts you get a 50% bonus to your XP from kills and whatnot. I "believe" it counts the whole amount, as in if you ground on mobs for the entire time, once you got the 1.5 levels or whatever, it would be gone. It could be based on the amount the bonus gives, but when I leveled ACN, it seemed to work the other way. Only reason I say this is I mostly did dungeons to level ACN, and the bar wouldn't skip ahead a little when you got XP from kills. Which is what I would expect to see with the second concept.

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Originally Posted by xRitzx

Yes I understand that and under that assumption since I logged out on a level 5 ACN, I will only gain 1.5 levels of rested XP based on level 5. Now if you gain the same amount of rested XP if you log out on a level 1 class as you do a level 50 class (I highly doubt this), then the class you log out as doesn't matter.

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You don't gain an actual XP amount. You gain a percentage of a level(s). That's where the disconnect is. So, yes, the class you log out as doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by ispano

You don't gain an actual XP amount. You gain a percentage of a level(s). That's where the disconnect is. So, yes, the class you log out as doesn't matter.

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Thanks for the info. For some reason I wrongly assumed you gained rested XP at a set rate and the amount you could gain was connected to your current class, then as you switch classes your rested XP percentage stays the same. That's pretty convoluted and wrong. There was definitely a disconnect. Having everything based on percentage level(s) makes sense and is easier to work with.