I am totally infatuated with my WAR. I love the mechanics, the animations, the armor look, the feel of the class, and the damage.
I am feeling pretty flat about my PLD. I love the fact that I can step in and do a BA job of tanking for my friends and FC-mates to help them through content, but its soooooo boring! There are some little applications that I can get into, but compared to WAR its an absolute snooze.
My PLD is slightly better geared (both are reliced, PLD has AF2 chest while WAR has hoplite, everything else is the same, 1 myth ring and tanking DL gear), and I was dealt a brutal blow yesterday.
I had solo tanked Hydra for my WAR's Relic quest when he had 6600hp in group. A buddy of mine needed Hydra for his WAR, so I said I'd tank it, and assured everyone that I would be totally fine solo tanking Hydra with my now-7200hp HP w/Relic.
2 runs later I had gotten smoked down to 0hp by a couple of triumvirates in a row for 5k each, even with using an IB and ToB in between (I was not topped off before it) - twice in a row!!! I apologized, hung my head, took out my sword and shield, and one shotted Hydra on the PLD, never dropping below 50% hp and barely touching my CD suite. And this is Hydra, not even Titan or much less Coil. I realize I got a little bad luck on taking such large Triumvirates so close together, but the PLD would have been able to handle those no problem with a 600pt heal in between. So all it takes is a little bad luck to get eaten alive.
The crux of the issue - I really really wanted to sit on all my Mythos until 2.1 hits. I want to see what they do to WAR before I go spend any ether way, but we're looking at a month+ of not gearing up my tanks (we're not in coil yet, we're slow : D).
It's not that I hate my PLD, I just feel better playing a WAR, I was able to do things as a WAR in lower level (30-45) dungeons that a PLD could never do, but the frustration is starting to rear its ugly head for me.
Is anyone in a similar space? What are you doing? Am I being childishly impatient for the 2.1 fixes, or should I just go ahead and spend the 1k myth I'll have next week on PLD upgrades?
Anyone Else Waiting on 2.1?
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11-09-2013, 12:29 AMEhayteAnyone Else Waiting on 2.1?
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11-09-2013, 12:43 AMEbon_Drake
Have you tried zooming your camera out? I hear that helps A LOT.
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11-09-2013, 12:47 AMEhayteI don't....what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebon_Drake
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11-09-2013, 01:25 AMTraekI think there is a good amount of intelligent players who are in the same boat as you. I know I am waiting for changes as well, and trying to spend my myth optimally so I can help our group in coil now (I'm one of the main tanks), but also not drop down too far in effectiveness when I make the warrior switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ehayte
Something to keep in mind, Paladin isn't getting nerfed. I know this seems obvious, but keep in mind your investments in Paladin aren't a waste. Even with Warrior buffs, there will most likely be niche fights where Paladin is preferred over Warrior, and vice versa. Its always nice to be flexible, and have geared up classes for all content. Also consider, Crystal Tower! I'm looking at this as an opportunity to fill in some Warrior slots, that I know I'm losing to Paladin gearing right now. We are going to be with this current content for a while, and there will be many an opportunity to get those Allagan drops, and Crystal Tower drops, on top of future Mythology spending. I'd personally go with what will help you, and your group in the now.
I know most of us are going to want to rush to our Warrior's and fight the good fight when 2.1 buffs come, but also keep in mind, especially for harder fights, you can always bring in your better geared tank for the fight (Paladin), and still be getting gear for your Warrior (allagain drops). Its not a big loss, except perhaps your initial *fun* on the fight.
Anyways, my two cents, all opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
*edit* But keep in mind.. if you haven't spent too much Myth, and you don't need myth gear for content.. well it isn't exactly worth upgrading to run AK/WP a little better.. I'd say given you have the Valor chest, get the Valor helm since Allagan helm doesn't drop till T5 Coil anyways. -
11-09-2013, 01:37 AMEhayteVery much appreciated. This is how I want to feel but I don't want to be making a huge mistake if WARs become awesome, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Traek
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11-09-2013, 02:31 AMarmandojc3
ive played very few mmos but the pure mitigation tank tends to be superior and stay superior to the gimmicky tanks (life regen, damage absorb, pets, etc) even after updates and patches, so even though i love warrior i know my serious tanking will always come from pally... :(
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11-09-2013, 02:35 AMEhayte
@armandojc3 - Yeah, that's why I initially picked the PLD, wanting to be a main raid tank.
I'll probably just deck out my PLD, and get my jollies from DPSing on Thief when the release new classes : D -
11-09-2013, 02:54 AMCrimessYou're or were doing Hydra wrong your meant to 2 Tank it to split the dmg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ehayte
And do what I did. People were saying that WAR can't tank coil and is just BS. We can tank it just fine. I've made it to turn 5 and with no issues except on Turn 2 that the PLD couldn't take the aggro from the ADS.
Yea Coil might be easier because of the def buffs that paladin as and the block rate.
Do what I did.
I didn't know how Coil was going to be so I played it safe using my PLD. I had full DL set and accesories. Remember that allagan armorilv90 is drop in BC and that it can be use on the WAR and PALA. So use those Myth on your war and w/e allagan pieces you get is for the PLD.
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11-09-2013, 03:28 AMLeironI laughed a lot harder than I should have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebon_Drake
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11-09-2013, 03:55 AMsaber_altertriumvurate hits for about 3k unsplit when hydra has no buffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimess
if a add is alive for too long it hits for much, much more. (it one shots tanks no problem)
for coil, my FC has made it so that all groups have on pally, and one warrior. warrior is very viable during turn 2 from what i see, as it seems that the ads ignores paladin's mitigation. as a note, for all of the nodes, you can effectively tank through 8 debuffs, regardless of job.
@ebon: i fell out of my chair. i hope your happy. -
11-09-2013, 04:59 AMYukiTerumi
I'm in a rutt myself I really like the Warrior but when compared to PLD its just like no, how is it a PLD can go in AF gear into Titan HM and tank just fine but when me who has full DL gear get dropped faster than a rock tied to a 100 weight ton. As a result we have to do more or put more stress onto the healer that even for one second the healer aint healing the WAR they'll drop everyone assures me that WARs are viable up to t4 but all the warriors faults are just showing more promiently me the farther i move up.
I don't want to give up but the same time i just want to give up, and right now I just feel like giving up. Maybe its just me and my own fault and not tanking properly, i do not lose aggro as thats not the problem but keeping myself alive, I just don't know anymore. -
11-09-2013, 06:07 AMHanabira
As much as i love my war, i can only think of one thing when people say that it doesnt need tweaking because it CAN do everything. You can bite down on your steering wheel and drive home with your mouth, does that mean you should? I refuse to level pld because im holding out for changes, but sometimes i absolutely feel like i make the coil more punishing for my group than it should be. I dont think there is a single warrior that can honestly say that runs wouldnt be much easier if they were on PLD. Now once your group is to the level when you are owning coil, it doesnt matter either way, but for groups still working on their first wins, it is a hurdle.
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11-09-2013, 09:05 AMZoomie5K Triumverate? Was this after the dps failed to kill the wyvern and you were naked?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ehayte
Granted I am one of those op PLD types but 5k? That's enormous. -
11-09-2013, 09:33 AMRyockI'll admit, I'm rather envious of paladin's mitigation, but I'm one of those people who played warrior to play warrior. I didn't pick it to tank, it just so happened that warrior was a tank. Be patient! If you look at it this way, you can only get 300 myth per week, assuming we get 2.1 in early december, that's only 4-5 weeks. That's enough to get some AF2 armor and maybe another piece or two depending on how lazy or productive you feel like being. Another suggestion that was already made was gearing your pally and warrior in two different areas(coil and myth). That's actually a very swell idea, I'd go with that if I were you... or just stick to warrior. Game ain't worth playing if you're not having fun, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ehayte
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11-10-2013, 09:09 AMShinHikari7Thanks for the "Pro Tip" Ebon! LmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Ebon_Drake
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11-11-2013, 11:17 PMJBarTHIS! The gap between "can" and "efficient" is simply to great. For those of us who have tanked in many MMO's - we realize that WAR may be incredibly gratifying to play compared to PLD, but PLD is just outright better. Anything else is simply restricting the ease of play for your entire group. And please note, this is coming from a MT who's favorite turn is turn 2 - simply because I can slap on my giant axe and beat around little orbs on WAR without significantly straining my group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanabira
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11-11-2013, 11:36 PMEhayteUhh, at that point I was pretty heavily focused on my HP, but it was within 10% of starting the fight, so I don't think so. I think it was partially bad luck, but still...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoomie
Yup - I honestly don't see anything but a pure mitigation tank ever being the "go-to" tank. I decided to spend some myth on my PLD, btw. I still have my relic'd war that I do lower level dungeons with new FC guys and AK non-speed runs with, but that relic is mostly for show, now. Single tanking Garuda is just too easy as a PLD compared to WAR. If 2.1 comes and WAR turn out to be all our dreams come true...there's always Allagan : DQuote:
Originally Posted by JBar