PLD/WAR WP

For those guys who watched the new SR runs in WP in YouTube.
Just Remember One Detail.
It Is Very Different when u play with a WAR
than playing with a
PLD.
Wars Cannot Handle the Same Loads
So Be Very Careful and See What You Can Handle.
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Is this a serious post? I play with a war that tanks entire halls of WP no problem and rarely loses hate on anything.

My war can handle the same amount as my pld. The clear time of both with an appropriate setup (war/brd/drg/whm - PLD/BLM/BRD/WHM). There are no problems in either setup, war just takes more effort to play, and requires more skill to execute. In fact, the Tonberry King is easier with a war.

That said, I'm not arguing that WAR is fine in other content.

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Originally Posted by DoctorPepper

Is this a serious post? I play with a war that tanks entire halls of WP no problem and rarely loses hate on anything.

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A team built around PLD has done WP in 8 minutes flat. I've not heard of anything under 12 for WAR, and achieving less than 15 requires considerably more effort. This is because PLD has twice the burst eHP of a WAR plus vastly superior mitigation from blocking and Flash's blind effect. Not many people are running around claiming that WP speed-runs can't be done with WAR, but it's invariably a stand-in for a job more suited to the task. PLD can do it with a much lower gear requirement due to scaling directly with damage rate (i.e. any gear weakness is mitigated by abilities), and when fully geared, PLD takes much less damage, leaving the WHM to nuke the field.

Regardless, lots of jobs get left behind for WP speedruns. Everyone wants the super-easy group, which is PLD/WHM/BRD/BLM. It's the quickest way to the most gil. Though, now that I think about it, every single Twintania run I've seen contains these 4 jobs as well. C'est la vie, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

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I do agree that in terms of mitigation and eHP PLD will come out on top.

What I don't agree with is saying that this effects the clear time of WP Speed Runs. Personally, given that I regularly do WP runs with a warrior that pulls entire halls and that there is nothing else to pull I would say that the issue lies with the amount of DPS. I'm able to heal that warrior, keep dots up on 3 mobs along with SF so unless there's a magic way to pull more than an entire hall I do not see how warrior tanks are the problem here. At the end of the day, a well geared/skilled pld or war can tank WP halls no problem and if it's speed runs we're talking about the tank should be well geared at least.

Why bring a War to a WP SR

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Originally Posted by Thunderz

Why bring a War to a WP SR

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Desperate attempts to show that WAR =PLD, therefore, WAR is good, ppl that say no pls learn to play?

SERIOUSLY, there are ppl that think that way.

WAR is getting buffed for a reason.

But I don't think any WAR would have a problem with SR WP. If you have any problems with WP you probably need to zoom your camera out.

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

If you have any problems with WP you probably need to zoom your camera out.

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*snicker*

I've actually not had a single Paladin tank be ballsy enough to pull 3+ groups yet in Wandering Palace, strangely enough. It's always Warriors who do so. Sure, their health bar behaves like a yo-yo, but I still get the time to throw in a few Holy casts every pack. :)

Then again, I usually don't bother with premade groups anyway, so I take what I get. Fun times when I get to actually do more than Divine Seal'd Regens and DPSing in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by DoctorPepper

Personally, given that I regularly do WP runs with a warrior that pulls entire halls and that there is nothing else to pull I would say that the issue lies with the amount of DPS. I'm able to heal that warrior, keep dots up on 3 mobs along with SF so unless there's a magic way to pull more than an entire hall I do not see how warrior tanks are the problem here.

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The time spent healing WAR chews up kill times. The best party is, as I said, PLD/BRD/BLM/WHM. Among those, WHM should be outdamaging your BRD. When you run with WAR, your healer DPS chokes on the healing need, and that slows down the run considerably. You're a SCH, which means that you're not actually part of these runs in the first place. I can imagine that SCH would not be gimped as much by WAR as a good WHM, who needs that time for Holy spam. WAR's contribution, weak though it may be, comes at less a cost to the party in your case.

Sorry for noobish question, what is brd and drg's rolls in speed runs? I get blm for their aoe, but what makes brd and drg suitable for speed runs than other jobs?

war/brd/drg combo is because of Army's Paeon. It allows the brd to spam more aoe (though at a lower than normal dps), it allows the war to spam overpower, and it allows the drg to spam aoe as well (though, while keeping heavy thrust up)

In your average speedrun group, packs go down as fast as if you'd slept them and locked them out of boss rooms.

The reason you bring a brd with a pld, is because of Mage's Ballad. Allows the healer to spam holy, and the pld to spam flash.

Oooo I did not know that Army's Paeon regen my own TP..
Time to go watch speedrun videos on Youtube.

I've done WP speed runs as both (I'm a relic+1 WHM). WAR are noticeably harder to keep alive during smaller pulls than a PLD can manage. There are places where a WAR shines, but the better mitigation of a PLD makes them a much better choice for this particular run.