These stupid FATES need to STOP INTERRUPTING GATHERING

I waited 1 hour just to harvest an unspoiled node.
A stupid FATE spawns on top of the node.
It's a low level FATE so I'm like ok whatever and ignore it.
I go to harvest the node, some dumb FATE mob does a ground attack while I'm in the middle of harvesting, I get interrupted, the level 50 node is gone and I wasted an hour waiting to get NOTHING.

Guess what I'm a BOTANIST I didn't JOIN THIS FATE. I'm just sitting there trying to gather my crap. Stop getting botanists (and miners) involved in these stupid FAtes. Normally if it's a regular tree then I guess I can live with it but ONCE YOU ARE INTERRUPTED ON AN UNSPOILED NODE IT DISAPPEARS. So basically level 50 gatherers are screwed. This basically ruined my night and I promptly logged off the game. Dear SE Staff, please stop only focusing on the battle classes and actually listen to the complaints people have about botany (and while we're on topic, crafting.)

.... Stealth...?

Pretty sure stealth does nothing to ward you from an ae ground attack.

I can't count how many times I went "no I did NOT!!!" after seeing the "FATE joined!" message. Why would a DoL/DoH even be able to join a FATE?

And no, stealth doesn't save you from getting hit by AoE. Lost a few unspoiled nodes to that.

The nodes are up for quite a while. You can always wait if a FATE is active. But this doesn't help when it pops right on you, just harvest fast :)

Yeah I guess i didnt think about AoE effect. This must be a botanist thing, I dont think FATEs pop near darksteel or gold nodes.

I'm pretty sure someone recently had a healer help them kill a monster with their botany axe and not only did it take forever but the botanist received no exp from doing this.
So even if I WERE to join a FATE that popped up on top of me, I'd get no exp anyway. So really FATEs do nothing but get in the way of Botany.
And I'm glad to hear that miners don't have to deal with this but upset because I just got my botanist to 50 and now I have this game mechanics griefing my gathering.

yoshi-p doesn't seem to honestly give a rats ass about anything but the battle classes. if it were completely up to him, we'd be ripped out of the game.

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Originally Posted by cearka

yoshi-p doesn't seem to honestly give a rats ass about anything but the battle classes. if it were completely up to him, we'd be ripped out of the game.

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Yea sadly I got 3 crafters & 1 gatherer to 50 only to learn that crafters/gatherers really only make money within themselves while battle classes pretty much just farm their tomstones and upgrade their gear that way. Maybe things will chance once housing comes in... :/

I whacked that drunkard from Bruscarrion's around with a hatchet during a FATE and it blatantly says "because you are not a DOW or DOM, your contribution will be ignored".

Yea... that needs to be adjusted one way or another.

Some fates are assigned to certain location intentionally to disturb gathering activities.
It is working as intended.

Wow sorry about your luck. I have been working to bring up some gathering classes and have notice the same issue in the southern shroud while gathering walnuts. A kedtrap fate starts and I have to start running. Realistically we wouldn't want to be anywhere near a fate as a gathering class. But after waiting an hour for a node to pop-up I would have rage quit for sure. Hope you have better luck next time.

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Originally Posted by Delvish

I whacked that drunkard from Bruscarrion's around with a hatchet during a FATE and it blatantly says "because you are not a DOW or DOM, your contribution will be ignored".

Yea... that needs to be adjusted one way or another.

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Haha Yeah. I had this once too. I was so annoyed from a FATE that I joined it with my Gardener tool to make it go away faster. I even killed some enemies but after the FATE was over, I also received the same message just like you.

Just makes zero sense to annoy gatherers with them. We don't get experience, GIL or company coins but we are put under stress from FATES and going in hide mode doesn't solve the interruption. I remember the weeks where there was this seasonal event in all zones and how annoyed I was from the hectic background music and the all the time spawning cascadeurs. They were EVERYWWERE where I was harvesting as Gardener. Terrbibly annoying.

The actual solution is a bad one and it really seems, the existence of gatherers was never part of the design process...it is like we are not here.

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

The actual solution is a bad one and it really seems, the existence of gatherers was never part of the design process...it is like we are not here.

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Yeah not there until people see the stack price on the market board, then we get noticed. :)

ZOOM out man!!
it will fix the problem :P

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Originally Posted by Geobryn

ZOOM out man!!

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Off topic but: that statement by Yoshida is valid. What he was referring to was people playing with camera zoomed in and having troubles seeing the bomb pattern, not knowing where to run to as a result. I'm getting tired of seeing this repeated over and over again to ridicule them seemingly ignoring the latency issues. It wasn't an excuse to say they don't exist.

If you harvest in an airport approach corridor you got to expect aviation noise.

Either you started harvesting after the event was active for a while and Players were present or you did start not being in stealth. Both your choice.

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Originally Posted by Sinaloa

If you harvest in an airport approach corridor you got to expect aviation noise.

Either you started harvesting after the event was active for a while and Players were present or you did start not being in stealth. Both your choice.

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everyone in this thread just pointed out that
1. you cannot avoid ground circles in stealth mode so you will get interrupted regardless
2. the level 50 nodes only last about 10 minutes which is less than the time of a FATE. You have to either hope the FATE ends before the node disappears or hope that nothing comes near you and does a ground attack while you are in the middle of harvesting the node.

Please don't make ignorant comments when you don't have a single gatherer at 50 thank you. ( ´_ゝ｀)

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I remember the weeks where there was this seasonal event in all zones and how annoyed I was from the hectic background music and the all the time spawning cascadeurs. They were EVERYWWERE where I was harvesting as Gardener. Terrbibly annoying.

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YEs that cursed Return of the King swimsuit FATE. It was right in the middle of the level 30 trees where I would harvest lightning shards/crystals for my weaver. The ground attack was gigantic but again, thankfully these are not disappearing nodes so even if something interrupts you, you just go back and finish. Only thing you may lose is a little bit of GP or something but no problem since 3 other trees around you to start again...unlike the level 50 nodes which have fun waiting another hour!

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Originally Posted by Delvish

I whacked that drunkard from Bruscarrion's around with a hatchet during a FATE and it blatantly says "because you are not a DOW or DOM, your contribution will be ignored".

Yea... that needs to be adjusted one way or another.

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Indeed, and how are we not doing more damage? As a Botanist I wield an axe and a bloodly great big scythe. As a miner I have a sharp pointed pickaxe and a sledgehammer. As a fisher I have a giant whip made of treated wood with a barbed pointy thing attached. Monsters should run in fear from "gatherers".

starting to feel you guys...i just start botanist

I don't know if it was a bug, but last time I was gathering in a FATE I used stealth to ignore it and something targeted me anyway (not AoE, single-target attacked me) so I am wary of FATEs forever as a DoL. When it comes to FATEs and unspoiled nodes its a really annoying game of chance. Get your rotation down and speed through it as fast as you can.

Also, if you're fighting in a FATE or just mobs and you see DoH or DoL in the area- pay attention. Those AoE's break our action and probably hurt a LOT. Aim them away from bystanders. For a minute you're that guy's Tank and its your job to face the cone away from him.

The fates are annoying for sure when gathering, getting hit by the mobs in fates suck, and whats worse is that when you have stealth up you move slower than a snail. Maybe if they can't move the fates or gathering points allow us to move faster using stealth please!

I'll start off with a disclaimer: I don't have any classes or jobs at 50 yet.

That being said, it makes sense to me that Fates would be dangerous. A large group blood thirsty enemies is raging through the forest around me... but for some reason leave me alone while I frollick and pick flowers... The game world is intended to be chaotic and dangerous. Why should gathering be any difficult? Removing any degree of danger would only serve to make gathering super trivial and devalued.

Also, like I said, I don't have any 50s, but here are two helpful bits of advice I think it kind to share: 1. Enemies with red thingies next to their names usually indicate they are hostile (and glowing fate-gem thingies next to their names usually mean they are not only hostile, but stronger than average) and 2. when you see a red shape on the ground, move out of it.

Hopefully armed with those two tidbits of wisdom, you'll be able to navigate through or around fates. :)

The problem with these fates is SE is putting them smack dab on the nodes we need. I dont see why you cant shift fate XX over by 25 yalms. If I have to join the fate, and I cannot hit the mobs until I level synch (which is 90% of the time at level 50 botany) then why in the name of god can the fing mobs hit me!? Stealth does not fix this. SE NEEDS to fix this crap.

What's really frustrating is you can't just easily swap to a fighting class to deal with the fate because you're helpless due to a minute long cool-down on all of your abilities, thus discouraging you from helping anyway.

This tracking page helps, since you know exactly when they spawn so you don't have to sit around waiting: http://ffxivclock.com/#/

It's not just gathering that suffers from this. There are FATEs that pop in the middle of quest areas as well. I can think specifically of one in Coerthas and another in Mor Dhona where a quest popped on me as I was trying to do a quest fight. And both were boss type FATEs. Nothing worse than trying to fight a tough mob for a quest only to have a boss type FATE pop in your face. These things are poorly positioned.

Gatherers have it particularly tough, because you're able to be damaged, but unable to defend yourself.

What they should add is a FATE pop timer, wherein if you're in the affected circle, a :20 timer begins telling you a FATE is about to start. That gives you time to move if you need to.

Yeah, I know what you mean at lvl 50 a lvl 10 fate pops and I still get sucked into it without having to level synch. They should make all gatherers have to level synch to get into fates even if they normally wouldn't have to so those of us who do not wish to fate whilst gathering can ignore it. Make us have to hit a button before we get sucked into the fate.

The reason you can't get exp was probably to fix an 'exploit' of sorts in 1.x, you could do the chocobo supply quest in a combat job then right before it ended switch to a crafting or gathering class and get massive exp for example. But seeing as how we can't really join the fate, it would make sense that the fate would ignore us.

i like this, it messes with bots that can't make their own decisions

also at gathering spots arnt there usually 4-5 points and you can choose to rotate 3 of them? i normally gather at 1 spot, then 2 more then the 1st one re-pops?

doesnt a gather take like 4 seconds, how often were they aoe'ing? :/

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Originally Posted by Delvish

I whacked that drunkard from Bruscarrion's around with a hatchet during a FATE and it blatantly says "because you are not a DOW or DOM, your contribution will be ignored".

Yea... that needs to be adjusted one way or another.

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Agreed. I beat on a Gigas with a hammer when turning in once. No dice on participation. So why am I being made to participate again?

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Originally Posted by sheepysheepy

also at gathering spots arnt there usually 4-5 points and you can choose to rotate 3 of them? i normally gather at 1 spot, then 2 more then the 1st one re-pops?

doesnt a gather take like 4 seconds, how often were they aoe'ing? :/

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Someone clearly hasn't reached level 50 and understands how unspoiled nodes work.

Really? I mean really? I reaaallly hope SE does not listen to this BS. As a gatherer you are in the OPEN world with mobs AND FATES, it is part of the landscape and part of being a gatherer. If a fate happens to spawn on an unspoiled node, tough sh*t, you move on to the next one. Its part of the world we play in. We get stealth and sprint to help deal with other aggressive situations. Fates popping on an unspoiled node is crap luck and rage quitting because of it is asinine. It’s already boring enough as it is, wanting it to be even more care bear is just plain wrong.

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Originally Posted by Diist

If a fate happens to spawn on an unspoiled node, tough sh*t, you move on to the next one.

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...except that the node for crawler cocoons spawns once per hour in the same spot every time hur dur you're so smart!

100% support, it's really annoying.

It would be nice for FATE mobs to not effect gatherer's. I was trying to fish at the goblin pond, and during the gob fate, people would run over to me and have the gobs drop bombs on me -.- it was frustrating...

You can always ask people to pull mob(s) away from your node, or even switch to your DoW or DoL job to help kill the fate. Sure it make take awhile to get your GP recharged when it ends but if these high-end nodes are that important to use, then save or by cordials so you can quickly get your GP back. There are called Full Active Time Events for a reason.