Damage Parcing

Is there a program that allows you to view the damage dealt, healing done, damage taken, etc? World of Warcraft has World of Logs or even Damage Recount. Would be nice to instill a sense of compitition for the dps in the group. Competing dps = more damage done to boss. How do I get something like this for FF14?

Thanks ^.^

Googe ffxiv-app and I think the other was ffxiv logrep? Those are your recount, although not fully accurate

FFXIV-App works very well now

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Originally Posted by Darkstarz

FFXIV-App works very well now

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wrong!

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"very well" is relative, it works amazingly compared to where it started, and compared to what you would be looking at without a parser, it still runs much smoother than logrep does for me, but accuracy it isnt perfect, still misses a few things and DoTs still arent perfect. that being said, it is actually a pretty darn good estimate.

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Originally Posted by xyaie

"very well" is relative, it works amazingly compared to where it started, and compared to what you would be looking at without a parser, it still runs much smoother than logrep does for me, but accuracy it isnt perfect, still misses a few things and DoTs still arent perfect. that being said, it is actually a pretty darn good estimate.

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maybe for your class it does, this is what it does for summoner. and im seeing SMN getting criticized for their performance and using the parser as the basis.

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parser doesn't track shaowflare
parser doesn't track dots extended by contagion (it's as if you don't have any dots up during the extended time)
parser doesn't track empowered dots (only counts them as normal dots)
parser doesn't track crit dots

and most importantly

parser doesn't track BANE or any kind of multi dotting! if you bane, parser will just track single target dot and won't count your AoE dot hits.

on a single target dps, the parser ignores a total of 1405 potency per minute. which could be around 60 dps on your current gear, it is ignoring a LOT more on multi target/aoe fights.

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oh, yeah summoners have all kinds of issues with the parser. It counts when i multi DoT though on my dragoon as well as my black mage. nothing ground based like shadow flare counts (archers are hurt as well). Honestly it should really just be summoners who are hit hard by the issues with the parser :-/.

We probably wont see actual accurate parsing for summoners until we get addons. They said 6 months after launch, we are at what, 3? :-/

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Originally Posted by xyaie

oh, yeah summoners have all kinds of issues with the parser. It counts when i multi DoT though on my dragoon as well as my black mage. nothing ground based like shadow flare counts (archers are hurt as well). Honestly it should really just be summoners who are hit hard by the issues with the parser :-/.

We probably wont see actual accurate parsing for summoners until we get addons. They said 6 months after launch, we are at what, 3? :-/

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when I say multi dots, I meant dotting more than 1 target at the same time. I'll check later if what you say is true.

Hardcast multidotting should "work" (minus the other bugs with DoT tracking). Bane probably doesn't.

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Originally Posted by PessimiStick

Hardcast multidotting should "work" (minus the other bugs with DoT tracking). Bane probably doesn't.

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nope.

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Originally Posted by glim

nope.

10 charrr

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yup, jsut tested and it doesnt count the second one. it did a long time ago (like.. a month and a half?) but also during this time i swear bane counted like it spread to 5 targets even when only one got it (our summoner would regularly do 800+ dps in less than AK level gear). i guess something fixed it and broke something else. that being said, the first 2 test were spot on accurate for the damage done including one tick critting. i guess maybe it accounts for my crit chance and averages the damage?

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Originally Posted by xyaie

yup, jsut tested and it doesnt count the second one. it did a long time ago (like.. a month and a half?) but also during this time i swear bane counted like it spread to 5 targets even when only one got it (our summoner would regularly do 800+ dps in less than AK level gear). i guess something fixed it and broke something else. that being said, the first 2 test were spot on accurate for the damage done including one tick critting. i guess maybe it accounts for my crit chance and averages the damage?

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that could be it (on bolded part of the quote), averaging the crit chance as damage. still, lots and lots of bad things. 1405 potency ignored every minute on a single target fight on the parser a heck lot more on aoe fights.

how accurate are these parsers? are they as accurate when they are measuring your own dps as they are measuring your team mates dps?

twice now i have been told that a tank is doing a higher dps than me, a dragoon. and although i am open to admiting that it is my fault, i dont think that it is. i have a good rotation cause i got it from theorycrafters, and my gear is good. it might be because us melee dps have to dodge so much where as tanks deal damage uninterrupted, but i have no way of proiving this.

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Originally Posted by glim

wrong!

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what is 10 char?

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Originally Posted by Lodiodrive

what is 10 char?

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10 characters. the minimum amount of characters (letters, spaces, periods, etc...) that you need to type in order for the forum to allow you to make a post. just a minimum required post length. so when the post is too short like one words, people usually add "10 chars" to meet the requirement.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

how accurate are these parsers? are they as accurate when they are measuring your own dps as they are measuring your team mates dps?

twice now i have been told that a tank is doing a higher dps than me, a dragoon.

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1. The parsers are pretty good for direct-damage heavy classes like Dragoons. The parsers are never 100% accurate due to limitations with SE's combat logs.

2. I have seen multiple Dragoons parse for really, really, really crappy damage. You could be one of them.

3. The key here is to observe your parse over multiple fights. If you get one random parse with like 80 DPS ... whatever. If you get 8 parses in a row where you are alive for the entire time and hacking away at the target, and you are still getting 75-90 DPS every parse ...

You bad.

Also unless they fixed it after every fight you need to reset the parser. If its not reset the parse will be completely off.

I think something that will help is knowing how much dps you were doing whne the tank beat you? I have a friend who (DL geared warrior) can finish 5 man fights with over 200 dps. He beats "okay" player pugs often

TL;DR - There is no worth a shit parser. They are all in an "early alpha" state at best for SMN and ~Beta for everything else.

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Originally Posted by glim

nope.

10 charrr

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your sig is too funny

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Originally Posted by xyaie

I think something that will help is knowing how much dps you were doing whne the tank beat you? I have a friend who (DL geared warrior) can finish 5 man fights with over 200 dps. He beats "okay" player pugs often

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unfortunately i play on ps3 so i have no way of parsing my dps. and on the first occasion i didnt ask for the numbers. but on the second occasion i think the warrior was doing 150 dps and i was told i was doing less than that. but like i said, not to cop out, but i think it was because during the entire fight against titan that warrior did not move away from titan, hence he was constantly dps'ing. me on the other hand, had to constantly dodge his attacks, not to mention that my rotation gets constantly interrupted.

yeah, that will hurt your DPS, as well as titan is a jerk for turning at the last moment and making you repeat your HTs and IDs. 150 is pretty low for that fight still though, the friend i mention is usually in the 160-180 range on titan (he is hurt less by turns than i am). A big part of melee dps on a boss like that though is uptime. landing as many hits as possible while dodging (i'd fear on a PS3 it would be harder to perform your rotation without letting your GCD sit idle for even a moment while dodging everything)

150 is rather good for a DPSing tank.

180 sustained sounds unlikely unless the DPS tank has a full DPS setup -- 30 str, HQ crafted DPS gear, etc. Possibly MRD class not WAR job.

MRD/WARs have oddball parses because they have pretty extreme cooldowns, but peter off when the cooldowns are down. If the parse ends right after they use cooldowns, it can spike up pretty hard even in mid-length fights.

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Normal "tanking tank" DPS is in the 65-90 range depending on the situation. I've parsed DRGs in the 70-80 range. But if you're doing progression Titan (e.g. you have pre-Titan gear) and you're pulling 140, that's better than most of the playerbase.

I find the newest logrep the most accurate and easiest to manage parser. It also is far superior for any real post fight analysis. Not to mention the alarms feature.

My problem with logrep is that I always forget to start and stop events every single fight.

Edit: Oh yeah, and the way it adds up DPS (and even the way it accounts for time in combat on different targets) is completely faulty and flat-out wrong. Really annoying. Can only use the total damage numbers to compare within the same event -- and then you have to reverse engineer a fight duration and manually calculate your DPS so you can compare it with other fights. The best part is there isn't a precise total event duration (the label at the top rounds/truncates to the nearest minute), so you can't even reverse engineer and manually calculate the DPS accurately.

Annoying.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

150 is rather good for a DPSing tank.

180 sustained sounds unlikely unless the DPS tank has a full DPS setup -- 30 str, HQ crafted DPS gear, etc. Possibly MRD class not WAR job.

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It was storm, youve talked to him before (in skype back in tera days). He is, at any point in time, likely to be wearing as much dps gear as tank gear if not more. the 180 was solid attempts (30% wipes and such). If you just measure his burst as a marauder its crazy (like 350-400ish) but as a war he still holds about 230 as a war with probably BiS pre coil gear on a dummy 3m parse (not titan).

i agree 140 is more than enough to be fighting titan as a dps progressing through it. I really dont see 70-80 dps as a dpser as "pulling your weight" on that fight.

edit: forgot he never got his +1, so just regular relic

Oh that guy. Nifty. Still surprised he pulled that much without aggroing the boss :D.

Because of the way the combat log works (ability on one line, damage on others), the only way we're ever going to get an accurate parse is if each person in the group is running a parse and has their battle log set to "self only" and then the parser devs give us the ability to sync the data between party members.

That or if Sq-enix makes changes to the Combat log to show player name/ability/damage all on one line.