War- Str vs Vit?

Hey guys! I'm about to get my war to 50 and wondering about whether or not to go full STR or VIT.
With STR it's easier to hold aggro, and with a War a lot of HP is restored with the more damage done.. So that's seems like a good choice, plus DPS from all classes helps, a tank that does no damage is no use
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A Tank is basically a punching bag.. So Having the HP to take the hits is important, plus the more VIT the higher the gain from defiance.
So I understand some of the basics behind both, but I'm not sure what the right choice is. Like if a war has DL and AF2 then is putting points into STR the right idea? Or should you always invest into HP?
Any help is appreciated, I've read a few different guides from people but I'm curious what individuals have to say? So links are appreciated but personal opinions or strategies is what I'm hoping for!
Thanks!!

Ok so basically there is pure vit which is a known value of about like 14 hp per point so most people go full vit. Strength gives I think about 3.6% damage boost so most people will take it for the parry increase and to help buff attack power which scales some of our heals. And then lastly based on your race for example if you were a highlander u could go the 10Dex and 20 vit or 20 strength option. There is a poster that has a guide on here about mining and maxing based on when you have all your gear. Just remember you can always go and reset your stats for 10000seals from your grandcompany so don't sweat it. So for now I would go pure strength or pure vit like 600 more Hp.

Hate isnt a problem and DPSing isnt our first duty, so i suggest you to go full VIT.

Once you get rich enough to afford HQ crafted gear and geared enough (AF2 or allagan) to have more HP than you will ever need you might trade VIT for STR and/or DEX.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...zation-for-WAR.

VIT. STR makes almost 0 difference in self-healing and mitigation from Parry.

Go Full VIT for point allocation then just play with Accessories to mix STR or VIT depending on content. At least you won't have to spend seals to change your allocation then.
In current content I'm doing, I aim for 6500HP outside a party which allows me to have 2 STR acc.

It's also because I play most of the time with a scholar so since my HP is dropping at a slower pace (and they have less bigger heal busrt than WHM), you benefit from bigger IB and second wind.

STR works in tiers so that 30 points may not even get you over the next tier. And your damage may go up by 1% if you're lucky.

Not really worth it.

Full VIT all the way.

30 STR nets you about a 7% increase in damage dealt. VIT either helps you stay alive or does nothing depending on the content at hand and your gear. If you routinely do Titan and Coil on your WAR I would recommend VIT, or if you speedrun dungeons on WAR and find yourself wishing for a bit more HP. Otherwise go for STR. A bit of extra damage, parry reduction, and self-healing isn't huge in a party context, but it's better than stacking a stat that's doing nothing at all for you.

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

STR works in tiers so that 30 points may not even get you over the next tier. And your damage may go up by 1% if you're lucky.

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Has anyone actually checked this? The only "evidence" I've seen that the mitigation contributions are incremental integer gains are the floating combat text, which show only whole numbers. It's entirely possible that the game tracks the smaller gains but the FCT just rounds it off and no one notices because the variability of damage is greater than even the 1% incremental gains that we see. Unless a dev explicitly said that it works in 1% gains and that there are no incremental gains in between or there is a *massive* amount of *highly* controlled data, there's no real way to *prove* that there are no mitigation gains outside of the tiers.

I've gone full STR, continued throughout the coils as full STR, and swapped 6 points into DEX after clearing turn 5 merely to ease my concern about missing a butcher's block once.

As mentioned in my guide the actual "gain" from stacking either tends to be negligible anyway you cut it. Vit favors encounters where you end up moving or focusing less on your rotations and more on positioning and STR favors encounters where you're free to stand there and smack a boss up, slightly, with the trade off being 600 hp your healers have as extra to be responsible for or STR's 490 hp when your pool is over 8.2K regardless in regard to the 20% self healing burst with VIT compared to the 22% with STR.

I went full VIT until I was about Lv. 40 or so. Then a FC member suggested I got STR, I've been full STR ever since. It was better for me for hate purposes. Now I've got relic, I don't have hate issues, I might be able to afford to switch back to VIT and have less enmity, but I can't be bothered to spend the 10,000 seals on it to respec. If/when I encounter a situation where it's necessary, I can & will. Nothing has really indicated to me that where/how I have spent my points is really making a difference. That being said, I'm iLevel 70+, and most of my gear is giving my STR and VIT, I might already be passed the threshold where people rumour I have a diminishing return on the value of VIT. Who knows.

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I've gone full STR, continued throughout the coils as full STR, and swapped 6 points into DEX after clearing turn 5 merely to ease my concern about missing a butcher's block once.

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DEX doesn't increase accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

Has anyone actually checked this? The only "evidence" I've seen that the mitigation contributions are incremental integer gains are the floating combat text, which show only whole numbers. It's entirely possible that the game tracks the smaller gains but the FCT just rounds it off and no one notices because the variability of damage is greater than even the 1% incremental gains that we see. Unless a dev explicitly said that it works in 1% gains and that there are no incremental gains in between or there is a *massive* amount of *highly* controlled data, there's no real way to *prove* that there are no mitigation gains outside of the tiers.

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This would be difficult to test, but doesn't necessarily require a massive sample size. We know that damage varies within a fixed range. We can use that knowledge to compare parry damage taken to unparried damage taken. You'd still want a decent sample size per test point to be sure, true, but we're talking 500-1000 samples instead of 50000. Such a test is not without complications of its own however, as you'd likely run into resolution issues on monsters that deal low enough damage to be otherwise ideal test fodder. Such a test would require the use of a monster that hits fairly hard, ideally at least several hundred damage per unparried hit. You might need a second individual, you'd have to pay more attention, and rate of data gathering is slowed.

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Originally Posted by Exrage

I've gone full STR, continued throughout the coils as full STR, and swapped 6 points into DEX after clearing turn 5 merely to ease my concern about missing a butcher's block once.

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Why? DEX has 0 effect on ACC.


I went full VIT. It took some convincing, but you really need the HP on WAR, being that they are so squishy compared to PLD.

Go full VIT. That is what I am doing (I need to respec some earlier STR points, but I'm just waiting until I finish these last few levels on WAR to do so) on the advice of my FC, and I have great faith in the senior members who gave me the info.

Really, it's about whichever you think you'll have more trouble with: enmity or survival. Conventional wisdom is that survival isn't problematic on a warrior until Titan and later. Personally, I'd take a split that was part strength and part vit, maybe 15/15 or 10/20 in vit's favor until I really needed every last ounce of survival I could muster.

Splitting your allocation is flawed logic unless you're min-maxing around a known HP threshold, something that lies between impracticality and impossibility in this game. Pick the one that benefits you more and stick with it until the situation changes.

And really, so many tanks disregarding damage output in a game where even healers can and should contribute to DPS in many situations? You make me sad. Staying alive and keeping hate is only part of your responsibilities as a tank. You have a part to play in maximizing the damage of your group as well, both by helping the rest of the party deal as much damage as possible and by maximizing your own output.

You need as much VIT as you can get...
because Warriors are squishy...
because you put all your points into VIT and reduced your mitigation...
because you need as much VIT as you can get...
because Warriors are squishy...
because you put all your points into VIT and reduced your mitigation...
because you need as much VIT as you can get...
because Warriors are squishy...

etc. etc.

I don't really know what the big fuss is about anyway... I believe us tanks aren't very clever people, so just put all your stats into one attribute and do your best at rotation and using your buffs/heals at the quintessential moment. Prove that you can survive/tank well regardless of what attributes you put your points into! That is, until SE says "Put all into dext because you will receive a magical bonus when you do!"

You may want VIT when you don't have much gear but full STR is the way to go later on. I'm 7.7k HP with full STR, food + party buff and it's more than enough. I use my warrior for turn 5 and instance farming. You don't need much HP to tank the adds and the extra dps helps.

Go full VIT for your 30 stat point allocation. If you want more STR, use STR accessories. With DL DPS accessories, you get 45 STR, and you maintain the flexibility to switch out to your tanking gear. With all 30 pts in VIT, and all tanking accessories, I have 7115 hp, ( no relic, yet). I can easily switch to all STR access when running WP or AK, maintain an HP of 6206, and be at a parry % of 24%. It is much easier to go this route, than to min/max with 30.

When choosing STR vs VIT for a warrior, you have to remember you're choosing between "apples and oranges" as the saying goes. One helps you hit harder, while the other helps you live longer.

For me it came down to "how much?": VIT was something like 17 HP per point (under Defiance, varies on your level, I should go re-test that number exactly...) STR not sure the % damage exactly, but fairly sure it's minimal.

So for the 30 allocation points, 17 *30 = 510 HP. vs. whatever the small % damage from STR and 1% or 0% parry amount increase. So 510 HP was easy choice for me on the bonus allocation.

What's harder is when you start talking about situations like Myth ring vs. crafted ring (5 VIT vs. 9 STR + crit or Det). In those amounts, I'll take the STR and offensive stuff.

There are those that say agro is never a problem for a tank. I don't find that to be true: get a good BLM, group with a Bard singing Foe Requiem, and tell the BLM not to hold back. Pretty sure tank loses that agro battle. Or put a situation like coil turn4 where DPS focuses on one of 2 mobs and must kill fast (tank must agro both targets). Or just picking up 2+ adds that spawn in middle of a fight and trying to get that initial agro enough to keep it off healers until build real agro. Agro is a problem sometimes -- crucial win/lose times for your raid.

And just raw DPS is fine. So STR is not useless at all. Just 1 VIT is more valuable than 1 STR in my opinion.

Thanks for the responses guys... Some of the guides may be more than what I needed but a lot of helpful info