sooo titan?

what is the principal problem with Titan? i'm a healer so i dont really know. i mean as long as everyone has ilvl 50 weapons it should be ok right? i mean its unrealistic to expect everyone to have ifrit or garuda weapons with only one drop per encounter imo. the only thing i can think is the height of the heart causing attacks to not go off and getting the out of range message. i've had groups that had no problem dodging things but couldn't pass the heart phase.

the principle problem with titan is people can't dodge. Usually because they really can't, though occasionally the lag excuse is legitimate.

if nobody dies before heart and you can't kill it in time then either your party comp is no good (e.g. 2 tanks, though its not unreasonable to have a WAR in DPS mode), people need to improve their attack rotations, pay more attention or otherwise improve themselves skill wise; they need better gear, or limit break isn't being used (if you can't get the heart down despite everyone surviving through the heart phase and using limitbreak, something is seriously wrong with the party or somebody in it)

You are going to want to have around 3200hp or more as a WHM/SCH. This means some Darklight gear/etc. You may have to do some Ifrit/Garuda farming to get your item, on the plus side you get tomes for gear so it balances out. If at any point you found yourself struggling on Ifrit/Garuda you are not ready for Titan. If the rest of your gear is fairly solid and your Main stat is in the 400+ range you should have little issue as far as gear. But no amount of gear will make people good at dodging the mechanics of the fight, that just takes memorization and practice.

Main problem is usually people dying to avoidable things like bombs and weights, falling off the edge at some point, or failing to break Heart.

People should at try for Ifrit or Garuda weapon. Those fights are considerably way easier than Titan and it doesn't take long to kill either of them with a half-decent group. Having mostly AK and Darklight gear is also a definite bonus.... people should have at least 3200 HP in case they do screw up and get hit by a bomb.

Helps to have level 2 limit break up for Heart if DPS can't quite get it down. Build up the meter about half to a bar in phase 1 before pushing him into the next. Healers can also help do damage since he only stomps once during heart phase, giving them a lot of free time if no one is getting hit.

Under geared, skills, and lag. A combination of those 3. The more geared you are the better especially if you're in pug you want most of them in DL.

it is better to get 4,1k hp in titan as healer & mage instead of 3,2k, in case you get lock in plume by 3-4 ppl run in same direction, you still have enough HP to take dmg from double plume and survive and not drop dead with the 3,2k hp

I decided to stay away from titan, I get tired of all the drama with this fight, I got called a s**t tank when a WHM decided to tick Regen on me during a geocrush or that same whm would spam medica. I'm just going to get the mailbreaker, meld it and grind for my AF2 gear, of course this means no coil but Whatever.

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Originally Posted by joshdavis271

I decided to stay away from titan, I get tired of all the drama with this fight, I got called a s**t tank when a WHM decided to tick Regen on me during a geocrush or that same whm would spam medica. I'm just going to get the mailbreaker, meld it and grind for my AF2 gear, of course this means no coil but Whatever.

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there is no shit tank in Titan, get over it and go get your relic! :D

If you have a FC or static group I would just recommend farming some Garuda weapons. Not only will you be gearing up for titan (and maybe peoples' alts) but if you get good enough at it Garuda is a great source of Mythology stones

People ignore the posts here and do not use optimum rotations. I have seen wipes where only one DoT was on the heart. That means people are panicking and using their main raw damage combo that does not put out enough damage alone. Also BLM if not experienced will usually drag the overall dps down.

Other then that idk, but even people with primal weapons and DL can consistently score under 100. Pretty amazing feat.

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Originally Posted by joshdavis271

I decided to stay away from titan, I get tired of all the drama with this fight, I got called a s**t tank when a WHM decided to tick Regen on me during a geocrush or that same whm would spam medica. I'm just going to get the mailbreaker, meld it and grind for my AF2 gear, of course this means no coil but Whatever.

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Then work on your play and improve your game, whilst Titan certainly isn't a tank intensive encounter, there are some details that will make your healers life a ton easier and I suspect it's these that had them up in arms at you. The most important thing to understand is how to avoid bombs safely, you must never turn titan to face the party so knowing the little safe spots on the edge and being able to get on them quick makes all the difference, two competent healers won't be phased too much by a tank eating bombs but when I'm solo healing it forces me to be far less efficient than I'd like :eek:

1. good gears.
2. good internet.
3. Youtube guide.
4. practice.
5. when you're good, you'll need other 7 people to be as good as you or better (hardest part of this mission).

I've seen decked out groups in DF, everyone has near full DL and garuda weapons, guess what. No one can dodge. I've also seen groups in DF where everyone is horribly undergeared, yet they know how to dodge and we 1 shot titan when 3 people have ~2800 hp. This seems odd to say, but the undergeared people in DF are probably better than the people will full DL. Because guess what, the people in full DL have been stuck on titan so long that they have gotten enough tomes to buy full DL, yet the undergeared people are probably people's alts who have done titan before...and can dodge.

Fixed my internets, came close to defeating him, Think I can get him with a good group now.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Then work on your play and improve your game, whilst Titan certainly isn't a tank intensive encounter, there are some details that will make your healers life a ton easier and I suspect it's these that had them up in arms at you. The most important thing to understand is how to avoid bombs safely, you must never turn titan to face the party so knowing the little safe spots on the edge and being able to get on them quick makes all the difference, two competent healers won't be phased too much by a tank eating bombs but when I'm solo healing it forces me to be far less efficient than I'd like :eek:

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I have the first few phases down, the bombs have sweetspots where I can stand, the problem was, the healer going nuts with medica overhealing during geocrush, it takes provoke to get everything back under control.

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Originally Posted by joshdavis271

I have the first few phases down, the bombs have sweetspots where I can stand, the problem was, the healer going nuts with medica overhealing during geocrush, it takes provoke to get everything back under control.

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Find a better healer, how do you even manage to pull hate on titan as a healer, either they are terrible, or you need to become a better tank. If it's one isolated incident, it's probably the healer. If it is every healer you find, it's probably you.

Titan requires only two things:
1 -- Everyone must be able to dodge well. All attacks are pre-scripted so its a matter of memorization and being ready to run at the right time in the right direction. And of course no lag.
2 -- The DPS must be able to break heart. The more the merrier.

If there was no need to dodge the attacks then there would be nothing of interest to this fight. If too many people fail to dodge then the battle eventually drains resources (healing MP or DPS from attacking) and a loss will occur. Having oodles of HP of course makes up for not being able to dodge, so if having problems dodging, compensate with +HP.

Oh, use Sprint.... all the time its up.

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Originally Posted by ReviiLagoon

Find a better healer, how do you even manage to pull hate on titan as a healer, either they are terrible, or you need to become a better tank. If it's one isolated incident, it's probably the healer. If it is every healer you find, it's probably you.

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Its isolated, I switched out with a different tank to make sure it wasn't me, and sure enough the healer pulled hate off that tank during geocrush.

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Originally Posted by joshdavis271

I have the first few phases down, the bombs have sweetspots where I can stand, the problem was, the healer going nuts with medica overhealing during geocrush, it takes provoke to get everything back under control.

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The issue isn't during geocrush itself as any whm is going to medica at that stage. If they are using medica 2 right from the offset then you need to step in and suggest they stick with medica 1 at least until after the first geocrush. That'll hopefully give you the enmity headstart you need before the heart phase. If things still aren't working out then either they are ignoring your suggestion or you aren't generating enough enmity.

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Originally Posted by ReviiLagoon

Find a better healer, how do you even manage to pull hate on titan as a healer, either they are terrible, or you need to become a better tank. If it's one isolated incident, it's probably the healer. If it is every healer you find, it's probably you.

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It's surprisingly easy to do particularly as you get geared, I'm ~ilvl 79 or so average and with a typical pug tank I'm stretching agro as close as I can before I hit my first shroud just to ensure I'm safe to go nuts later on. Whilst yes, when I do pull hate I'm usually expecting it and have shroud ready, but it still happens :eek:

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

It's surprisingly easy to do particularly as you get geared, I'm ~ilvl 79 or so average and with a typical pug tank I'm stretching agro as close as I can before I hit my first shroud just to ensure I'm safe to go nuts later on. Whilst yes, when I do pull hate I'm usually expecting it and have shroud ready, but it still happens :eek:

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Yeah, it's incredibly easy to do. I have tanked and healed the fight many times and whether it's my own WHM or my WHM healer, we are always up there on enmity, particularly for the first few phases. A WHM needs to be aware of their threat and ready to pop shroud, yes, but the biggest thing is... don't bother with Medica 2 until AFTER the heart phase! That is usually the biggest offender when it comes to a healer pulling aggro in the early stages rather than a tank "being bad"

Until Titan HM, you progress by dodging things as they happen. Come Titan HM, you have to memorize his rotations because Weight of the Land and Landslide casts too fast to dodge by reactions (and the server sure won't help you there). I think it's worse for healers since they also need to remember the tableflip.

No one there is stupid, bad players or whatever, the game does a 180 at that point and if you don't inform yourself you'll get stuck.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

it is better to get 4,1k hp in titan as healer & mage instead of 3,2k, in case you get lock in plume by 3-4 ppl run in same direction, you still have enough HP to take dmg from double plume and survive and not drop dead with the 3,2k hp

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So what gear/materia would I need to raise my HP that high? Because having 4k+ HP as a SCH for Titan HM sounds incredibly delightful to me.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

So what gear/materia would I need to raise my HP that high? Because having 4k+ HP as a SCH for Titan HM sounds incredibly delightful to me.

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I believe you should get your relic +1 BEFORE attempting Titan!

But titan is the relic quest, well part of it, once this lil challenge is done I'm home free.

One of main problems with Titan is nothing in this game prepares you for it. There are so many people hitting up relic quest like its "go kill 5 mice" type deal and getting to Titan because the entire chain of quests is a laughable 1 night joke of activities. I considering Demon Wall to be the most difficult boss throughout the entire relic quest prior to Titan and that is -only- because of the mechanics. You have to move a lot, you can end up fighting in a small space and you can fall to your death with Demon Wall helping to achieve that with repel to knock you off, very similar mechanics to Titan, small area, Aoe's to dodge, knock back moves and a ledge to fall off. All other fights are weak. Then Titan hits and its a whole other level compared to what you've gone through.

The only advice I can give to secure a win is learn his rotation and do your actions and movement in advance, pretend plumes are already up when you "know" they are about to be up, and get moving.

I think its time to start prepareing to move after titan slaps the tank around a bit depending on what part of the rotation he is on.

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Originally Posted by ReviiLagoon

Find a better healer, how do you even manage to pull hate on titan as a healer, either they are terrible, or you need to become a better tank. If it's one isolated incident, it's probably the healer. If it is every healer you find, it's probably you.

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There's nothing that a paladin can do on single targets imo. You just mash the halone combo over and over, sneak in spirits within, scorn and maybe fracture. There's mitigation but I feel that it has more to do with other people taking damage from titan's attacks pre-heart phase (where tank usually lose aggro). The whm would feel he has to heal that damage the party has taken and would most likely just hit medica if he sees there's more than one person taking damage. There's no way a tank can prevent that if the party keeps taking damage and the whm keeps aoe healing them.

Which leads to another point: if the party isnt over geared with relics, nobody must die before and during heart phase. 1 healer dies and the fight becomes harder. 1 dps dies before or during heart phase, there might not be enough dps in a DF party (I find building LB to be a waste of time because that's just an ominous sign on the dps department). Of course, this doesnt mean that it's okay for someone to die in post heart, but it's slightly less dangerous because the dps check is a long term one, instead of an immediate short term check.

Fracture is useless to a PLD, I start out with Shield Lob, rage combo, in between do spirits within and circle of scorn, this is a simple rotation, on the first to phases I use rampart or foresight after a landslide to prepare for tumalt, then I have to asve my CDs til after heart phase, I pop a defensive CD after a landslide during pase 5, my main problem right now is finding an ideal spot to tank him on that phase, I think I came up with one but I have to inch towards the middle once the middle bombs go off.
Somehow Certain WHMS steal enmity using medica 2 in early phases, which has me useing Provoke and rage combo til I regain control. This fight is a huge step up from garuda, and I will feel so much more fulfilled if I tackle this beast.

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Originally Posted by IvoryFox

I believe you should get your relic +1 BEFORE attempting Titan!

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I already have a +1 Relic for my BLM, but I need to be a SCH in order to get my +1 book (which means I need to beat Titan), unless you're referring to the Myth gear (which I guess some people call Relic or +1 or something of that nature).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I already have a +1 Relic for my BLM, but I need to be a SCH in order to get my +1 book (which means I need to beat Titan), unless you're referring to the Myth gear (which I guess some people call Relic or +1 or something of that nature).

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It was sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I already have a +1 Relic for my BLM, but I need to be a SCH in order to get my +1 book (which means I need to beat Titan), unless you're referring to the Myth gear (which I guess some people call Relic or +1 or something of that nature).

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I'm sorry, it was just in jest, kind of poking fun at the people who want everyone in their group to vastly outgear content. 'Cause yeah, you can't relic without beating Titan.

On a more constructive note, that 4k HP comment is way off unless you are playing on a potato. I did Titan on my WHM with 3.1k HP with maybe one piece of darklight? Results will vary, but if you avoid all of the things that are avoidable, a healer can get away with a little less than the other roles.

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Originally Posted by ReviiLagoon

Find a better healer, how do you even manage to pull hate on titan as a healer, either they are terrible, or you need to become a better tank. If it's one isolated incident, it's probably the healer. If it is every healer you find, it's probably you.

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I pulled hate the other day even after i dropped shroud because everyone is standing in plumes and getting hit by bombs.