Attribute allocation

Hey guys,

Now that I'm tanking Turn 5 in about ilvl87 gear, i was wondering if I had an excess of VIT. I'm sitting at 6890 HP buffed and it doesn't seem like I need THAT much health. I have all 30 points in VIT. Should I reallocate them into STR for more mitigation?

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Originally Posted by Marka

I'm sitting at 6890 HP buffed and it doesn't seem like I need THAT much health.

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I don't know, personally im still on turn 4 and i feel i need every point of VIT i can have, but i think you kinda answered yourself.

VIT all the way.

Will those points in STR get you to the next plateu? If yes, then switch. If not then there isn't much of a point.

your VIT isn't surprising...seeing how your average ilvl is 87.6...

from what i see it isn't a big deal whether you re-allocate or not. at this point your technically over-geared for coil.

Posting in a stealth e-peen stroking thread.

If I am giving that vibe, it is not intentional. I just haven't seen any research on whether or not there's a health cap in which it becomes pointless without mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Marka

If I am giving that vibe, it is not intentional. I just haven't seen any research on whether or not there's a health cap in which it becomes pointless without mitigation.

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Most people aren't at that point.

I consider 8,000hp to be 'enough' as a Warrior and am now stacking damage stats. If you're at almost 7k as a Paladin, I would consider that enough.

There is never enough @_@

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Originally Posted by Marka

Hey guys,

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HP isn't always what it's cracked up to be, and it's subjective depending on what your doing weather or not that extra HP is going to be useful or not.

For examples sake say your doing Titan hits you for 1500 damage each and you have 3500 HP. You know after the first two swings the next swing is likely gonna hit you for the same amount so losing that 450hp you get from VIT to STR isn't going to make or break your dire situation. This of course is a very calculated scenario, but when it comes to mobs that tend to hit harder than that it's a bit easier to predict the treshold you need and what won't help.

However, since Attributes are a more difficult to swap around at a whim, I recommend instead you go out and buy yourself some DL/Hero STR accessories and instead rotate them with your VIT accessories as you need too.

It boils down to how good your healers are.

30 to VIT is not required to survive any hits in any content within the game, it is just a preference that some tapped on to under the notion that for every point of VIT spent, you were getting 100% gain from it where as 1 point of STR on its own does nothing remotely special and imho, you cannot gauge 1 point of VIT vs. 1 point of STR like that especially when the way the system calculates STR is in soft caps.

It was confirmed that every 15 points, STR, DEX, INT etc all increase in power for every point spent as you hit these soft caps, however you need to find out where you are at within those values as 30 points in to STR might only net you say 20 points of useful STR while the other 10 is wasted because you cannot get enough STR to push it over.

So you might be able to put some in to STR and some in to DEX.

Check this post for more detail, http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...zation-for-WAR. Even though it is based on Warrior, the stat soft caps will be no different for a Paladin.

According to that thread, 405 STR is a soft cap zone, you can ethier pick up or reduce to figure out where you are at from there.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

HP isn't always what it's cracked up to be, and it's subjective depending on what your doing weather or not that extra HP is going to be useful or not.

For examples sake say your doing Titan hits you for 1500 damage each and you have 3500 HP. You know after the first two swings the next swing is likely gonna hit you for the same amount so losing that 450hp you get from VIT to STR isn't going to make or break your dire situation. This of course is a very calculated scenario, but when it comes to mobs that tend to hit harder than that it's a bit easier to predict the treshold you need and what won't help.

However, since Attributes are a more difficult to swap around at a whim, I recommend instead you go out and buy yourself some DL/Hero STR accessories and instead rotate them with your VIT accessories as you need too.

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Bad example imho as you are speaking from a DPS point of view and honestly, the only thing that should ever hit you as a DPS or healer on Titan is Tumult. At a certain point, if the fight lasts too long, no amount of HP or healing will save you.

That and attribute allocation cannot be changed on the fly like gear can.
Its very inconvenient to pop hymn's according to gear.

I would say now it depends on how well geared your DPS are. If they have to hold back for you to gain enmity (not just Quelling Strikes), then their max damage potential may be limited until your strength improves. But if you're not facing this, I rather like that you have nearly 7k with 20% damage reduction.

For PLDs with more DEF should stack on STR.
For WARs with more VIT should stack on DEX.
(but that's just me)

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FFXIV Guild,
Dexterity - While you may never find the need to allocate DEX, it is great to have. Increases Parry and Block % chances.

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Seeing Wars already depending on WHMs for the heal because they deal so much damage but can't take it as much.
I know there's gear to compensate for attributes you can't allot points to like critical hit rate and parry,etc.
With WARs there's ways to regen HP and PLDs can just heal themselves.

Um, W/E you think should be changed should be up to you. Don't let anyone manage you attributes for you as long as you understand how to balance them out. Take care!

Thanks for the great replies everyone. I ultimately let my healers decide and they rather not risk me dipping too low for Death Sentences :o

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Originally Posted by Marka

Hey guys,

Now that I'm tanking Turn 5 in about ilvl87 gear, i was wondering if I had an excess of VIT. I'm sitting at 6890 HP buffed and it doesn't seem like I need THAT much health. I have all 30 points in VIT. Should I reallocate them into STR for more mitigation?

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You can trade 25 Vit and 10 Parry for 45 Str (and 45 Dex, more Acc, and a load of Crit and Det) by swapping your Accessories for Melded Gryphonskins.
That'll guarantee you at least one Block Tier rise, and raise your Damage output (and thus enmity generation) by a little over 20%.

It costs a lot, but is a much better option in terms of stat gains than just plain trading 30 VIT for 30 STR. Plus you can always just swap back to +VIT accessories if you ever need more HP.
So don't redistribute your points, and instead save your gil if you want to make that kind of tradeoff... :)

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Originally Posted by Marka

I just haven't seen any research on whether or not there's a health cap in which it becomes pointless without mitigation.

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I'd probably laugh if anyone ever attempted to lay down hard numbers on such a thing. Such a threshold does exist, but it depends on the encounter, your skill at tanking, your healers, and potentially the rest of your team as well. It's a moving target. Given the relative cost of swapping between attribute specs at this time, I would recommend swapping your jewelry for melded i70 gear or STR i90 gear in situations where you're comfortable with your max HP instead unless you feel that you can spec to STR fulltime with zero sacrifices in gameplay. The tradeoffs are better and you can swap back and forth more freely.

From a healer's perspective, I'd assume they'd like it more if you kept the VIT. This allows them the extra breathing room to heal other party members if they need to without having to worry about you as much. It just helps the party as a whole a lot more, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Maelwys

You can trade 15 Vit and 10 Parry for 45 Str (and 45 Dex, more Acc, and a load of Crit and Det) by swapping your Accessories for Melded Gryphonskins.
That'll guarantee you at least one Block Tier rise, and raise your Damage output (and thus enmity generation) by a little over 20%.

It costs a lot, but is a much better option in terms of stat gains than just plain trading 30 VIT for 30 STR. Plus you can always just swap back to +VIT accessories if you ever need more HP.
So don't redistribute your points, and instead save your gil if you want to make that kind of tradeoff... :)

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I still can't recommend stacking DEX/STR over VIT but if you want to do it, this is the best advice I've seen. It's 5 VIT per slot to go from ilvl90 to HQ crafted, and they're expensive as hell, but it's much easier to swap as you need than to adjust attribute points. That and 30 VIT for 30 STR on attribute points is much less efficient than 25 VIT for 45 STR and 45 DEX on accessories. Just make sure you meld 10 VIT into each one =p

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Originally Posted by CianaIezuborn

25 VIT

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Oops.

Edited ;)
(Yes it's 5 Vit per accessory, so 25 Vit total, not 15!)

Total (assuming BIS gear) is 25 Vit and 15 Parry lost, and 45 STR, 45 DEX, 19 Acc, 16 Crit, 32 Det and 7 SS gained.
When I last ran the numbers, that basically equated to trading ~5% HP for ~18% WS and ~27% Autoattack damage for an i90'ed Paladin.

Personally I'm not convinced it's worth the money at the moment, but if we ever get meldable i80 or i90 gear...... :)