Hey SE, some interesting RMT behavior you should probably take note of

Question, is it possible to trade other players during instanced events? I mean, I don't see why it wouldn't be. Anyway, if it is possible, I think I discovered a group of RMTs using duty finder to trade gil across servers.

So I was crafting near a deliver moogle today. I saw 3 RMT bots that I have previously reported several times just standing there. All 3 would flash up the duty finder icon at the same time, and a few seconds later would poof into an instance. About 30 seconds later, they would reappear. They did this over and over and over again for about two hours while I crafted items to turn in for guildleves. Here's what I think is happening. They have a crapton of gil on my server that they want to sell to players on other servers. They get 3 guys on this server and one guy on another server all to queue up for an instance that nobody does anymore during off-peak hours, hand off the gil or items or whatever they're transferring over, and have the one guy leave instance first so that the 3 don't get the penalty, rinse and repeat.

like 90% sure you can't trade in instances.

My buddy was wearing a light pink robe when we entered Haukke Manor. I called him an eyesore and tried to trade him a dye and it wouldn't let me. So, no. Or, the game itself approves of pink.

30 seconds huh, sounds more like they doing guildhest to farm something, not sure which or what can be farmed though. Only did guildhest during beta and haven't touched it yet since launch so not sure if it's still same/different.

there's a number of chests in certain dungeons you can get to before any boss's. They could just be running through dungeons and grabbing chests then leaving. I'm not sure of anything specific, but I'm sure there's some aetherial gear you can get that way, and then put up on AH.

you cant trade in DF

You are unable to trade during instances. Even if you pre-form a party and go in as a group all from your own server. Once you are in that's it. SE did this prevent items/gil from getting into other server economies.

As for your observation, without knowing what they are doing when they disappear, no clue. There are teleport hack/bot programs floating around that allow you to vanish from where you were standing and appear in a total different location. Other than that, I've got nothing.

Chances are they found some exploit or gimmick and abusing it, or they are picking a dungeon, running to the chest none-stop and repeating. if it's just taking 30 seconds. as i highly doubt anyone would actually play with RMT in a dungeon as they are easy to spot due to terrible playing. (other then names)

The most obvious thing is they are entering a dungeon, POS hacking to the chest, getting allagan coins, sell to npc, rinse and repeat.

IF this is what they're doing maybe having the coins removed is a good option since gil drops have already been added to mobs, or limit the amount of gil obtained on the entire account from npcing per day

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Originally Posted by Zoner

The most obvious thing is they are entering a dungeon, POS hacking to the chest, getting allagan coins, sell to npc, rinse and repeat.

IF this is what they're doing maybe having the coins removed is a good option since gil drops have already been added to mobs, or limit the amount of gil obtained on the entire account from npcing per day

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Removing coins would probably be the quickest fix that requires the least amount of programing I'd imagine

Marael, make sure to report these guys ingame and include their names and the time you witnessed their questionable behavior so the STF can investigate and find w/e exploit they may or may not be using.

SE did say that they always find a way around when they add countermeasures, so since they took away their new character quest spam, they are simply spamming dungeons for the peices. so i am almost certain that is what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by Errors

You are unable to trade during instances. Even if you pre-form a party and go in as a group all from your own server. Once you are in that's it. SE did this prevent items/gil from getting into other server economies.

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Which is funny because other MMOs with cross-server dungeon groups manage to make the distinction between "I'm trying to trade with a person on my server" versus "I'm trying to trade with a person on another server" and block the latter without messing with the former. >_>

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Originally Posted by Zoner

IF this is what they're doing maybe having the coins removed is a good option since gil drops have already been added to mobs, or limit the amount of gil obtained on the entire account from npcing per day

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I'm pretty sure mobs only drop gil in the level 50 instances, so removing the coins entirely would not really be a good idea.

They're not so much running to the chests, as they are just teleporting to them. They could pretty much clear out an entire dungeon in a matter of seconds.

Sounds great.

Oh wait, you can't trade Aetherial gear. In or out of a dungeon.

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Question, is it possible to trade other players during instanced events?

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It's not possible- largely because this would make cross world trading possible.

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They're not so much running to the chests, as they are just teleporting to them. They could pretty much clear out an entire dungeon in a matter of seconds.

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Yeah and full premades can enter and exit a dungeon nonstop without penalty or cooldown, pink and green items from chests that are untradeable are still npc'able.

Hm, potential theory, since the developers did say it's possible to send tells in dungeons they just locked out that ability.

Is it hard to imagine that yes it's possible to trade in dungeons but they locked out the ability to do that.

What if the RMT managed a way to bypass the trade check in an instance and are using it as a means to send gil to other servers. They do this by setting up 3 people for a Duty with 1 random, then proceed to keep randoming til they get said RMT into the server of their choice. They proceed to trade to that solo RMT and now said server has more gil because of it.

RMT have shown to be able to hack their location into the ground and still target the mining/logging points so I would say that it's probably possible that they might of found a means to trade in dungeons. Or worse yet, the game has no check of trades in dungeon so they found an invisible way to send gil without being spotted.

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Is it hard to imagine that yes it's possible to trade in dungeons but they locked out the ability to do that.

What if the RMT managed a way to bypass the trade check in an instance and are using it as a means to send gil to other servers. They do this by setting up 3 people for a Duty with 1 random, then proceed to keep randoming til they get said RMT into the server of their choice. They proceed to trade to that solo RMT and now said server has more gil because of it.

RMT have shown to be able to hack their location into the ground and still target the mining/logging points so I would say that it's probably possible that they might of found a means to trade in dungeons. Or worse yet, the game has no check of trades in dungeon so they found an invisible way to send gil without being spotted.

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Still say the mostly likely scenario is farming coins with teleport hack

RMT was was quite for almost a week or two on my server, but this last week they seem like they had a mass resurgence

They might have been logging in and out, or just hopping in there to avoid /playersearches
dunno

Why the heck are they still in game if you reported them?