Schoolar - Ruin2 Blind use

I read in some other post about ruin2 is a usefull for schoolar because you debuff the enemy with blind for 10 sec. Now the questions:

-This is really usefull?
-What it mends blind? 20% miss chance, or something like that for the enemy?
-Is this affect bosses/primals?
-Are you using it?

Nope.

PLD has Flash which is an AoE Blind. No point wasting a GCD.

I find it useful because it pairs well with Energy Drain for a quick spike on damage. My Ruin II's are about 200 with my Energy Drain at about 350. All told, I can do 600 non-crit damage over the timespan of one GCD.

That aint half bad.

Who cares about the higher MP cost? You are on a dungeon you are likely overgeared for, trying to quickly clear content, on a job that basically cannot run out mana unless you Succor bomb.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Nope.

PLD has Flash which is an AoE Blind. No point wasting a GCD.

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Cause no one does any content with Warrior or anything like that.

As far as the Blind affect I know it works on Titan so I assume it works on the other primals.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Cause no one does any content with Warrior or anything like that.

As far as the Blind affect I know it works on Titan so I assume it works on the other primals.

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but what cause blind? a chance for miss for enemy? ro what?

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Cause no one does any content with Warrior or anything like that.

As far as the Blind affect I know it works on Titan so I assume it works on the other primals.

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Ughh... Use your head. NO GROUP runs double WAR.

God damn, think before you fricking type.

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Originally Posted by Frozan

but what cause blind? a chance for miss for enemy? ro what?

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Yes, I believe it gives Melee abilities a chance to miss. By what amount, I'm not sure.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Ughh... Use your head. NO GROUP runs double WAR.

God damn, think before you fricking type.

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*cough4mancontentcough*

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

*cough4mancontentcough*

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Ugh.. again, USE YOUR HEAD.

Any respectable SCH is going to be DPSing in dungeons, you know what that means? That's right folks, RUIN II SPAM after you've applied the DoTs. So whether it's good to use Ruin II is completely moot because you're going to spam it anyway.

C'mon, use your fricking head before you type this crap. I knew someone would post this exact response.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

C'mon, use your fricking head before you type this crap. I knew someone would post this exact response.

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Try taking your own advice. If you knew someone was gonna say it, then you should've already "responded" by saying what you just said here ahead of time, to avoid the comment.


Quit being a douche, geez. You're not Mr High and Mighty.


To answer the OP's questions... Yes to all 4. However, I would advise against spamming it and only applying it once, then going to normal Ruin and reapplying Ruin II again once blind wears off.

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Originally Posted by JonFarron

To answer the OP's questions... Yes to all 4. However, I would advise against spamming it and only applying it once, then going to normal Ruin and reapplying Ruin II again once blind wears off.

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This is probably the best solution. Even at low levels, the casting time for Ruin is nearly equivalent to the GCD. With Spell speed gear, that is only more prominent. The only difference is if you deal damage at the beginning of the GCD or the end. Where Ruin II is superior (outside of the blind effect) is that it can be cast while moving, which in some cases is much more convenient. In those cases though, I'm typically getting ready for the one that didn't make it outside the red zone.

As the previous posters have been saying, Ruin II once for the blind debuff as necessary then go to Ruin. Ruin is much more MP efficient and as Delvish said, your cast time will be extremely close to the GCD eliminating the instant cast advantage Ruin II has, with the exception of situations where you have to DPS while moving.

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but what cause blind? a chance for miss for enemy? ro what?

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Blind gives a chance for any physical-based skills to miss. The notable one on Titan is that his heavy damage ability, Mountain Buster, can miss if you Blind him.

A minor pointer as well: An enemy missing you is registered as a dodge by the player.

I don't know the exact percentage, but I'unno... feels to be ~30% increased miss chance or so. Just going on a gut feeling from tanking experiences.

Took 5 mins to test it so those numbers are definitly not representive. Trash misses me about 50% of the times as they are blinded.
Titan miss about 25% of the hits according to my pocket-paladin.
Thats why I assume blind reduces the enemies accuracy by 50% with bosses having accuracy stats high enough for a 125% hitchance.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Ugh.. again, USE YOUR HEAD.

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Selfowned - Multiple times.

Ruin II has the added advantage of letting you melee while you're spamming it. It's not bad, I usually get 2 swings at 70 per 3 casts of 200, adding a good chunk of damage. Make sure to add /ac "Auto-attack" <t> to your macros!

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Cause no one does any content with Warrior or anything like that.

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Ruin II has saved my warrior many times...

They do start resisting it after awhile so be careful bout overuse.

Spamming Ruin 2 is extremely MP inefficient. Even for Scholar and their Aetherflow. It has exactly the same potency as Ruin with almost twice the MP cost, and Blind has diminishing returns. Also, although SCH should be DPSing when possible, do not even bother if your tank takes so much damage Eos can't keep up. Granted this is rare in late game dungeons, it happens. The blind effect also seems to work on magic, so, if the Paladin isn't blinding, there's no real reason not to use it, but it's of a lower priority than healing and then spreading the DoTs.

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Originally Posted by Zaresin

They do start resisting it after awhile so be careful bout overuse.

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After the first blind most things get diminishing returns on blind for the next 30 seconds, then it resets and blinds will start being potent again.

On a standard 3+ trash dungeon pull, i usually rotate thru all the adds and blind each target while the fairy is healing the tank, blinds will give you alittle more breathing room to cast more dps spells before doing the cleric stance dance if i need to aldoq/succor.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

Ruin II has saved my warrior many times...

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I was being sarcastic towards that jackass earlier in the thread. I do stuff w/ a WAR all the time.

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Originally Posted by Rhindas

Spamming Ruin 2 is extremely MP inefficient. Even for Scholar and their Aetherflow. It has exactly the same potency as Ruin with almost twice the MP cost, and Blind has diminishing returns. Also, although SCH should be DPSing when possible, do not even bother if your tank takes so much damage Eos can't keep up. Granted this is rare in late game dungeons, it happens. The blind effect also seems to work on magic, so, if the Paladin isn't blinding, there's no real reason not to use it, but it's of a lower priority than healing and then spreading the DoTs.

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If at any point you're struggling for Mana as a SCH, you're doing something really wrong. Spamming Ruin II is perfectly fine. Ruin I needs to be buffed as there is zero reason to use it as a SCH.

I don't believe I mentioned struggling for MP. I said it's MP inefficient.

I'm not going to get much into it more than this because this is not a DPS forum, but for SCH DPS, which is a little different than SMN, you should Cleric Stance -> Bio II -> Miasma I -> Bio -> Bane -> Miasma II (if you are close to mobs or in mobile party; having to run back and forth will cost a couple seconds which will screw up the DoT upkeep) -> Swiftcast + Shadow Flare (if your group doesn't need Sacred Soil) -> Thunder rotation (or Aero if needed in mobile party) -> Ruin (Ruin II if mobile) -> refresh dots as necessary. However, unless you're in a good group, it's more often than not you're going to have to break this up with heals and you probably won't even have time to Ruin after the Thunder rotation because the DoTs will need refreshed. And even if the mob is nearly dead, Energy Drain will be better.

Ruin II should be exclusively used for the Blind effect unless you are mobile, where yes, you will be using it more often. Your DoTs are your main sources of DPS.

I must admit I have a hard time understanding people saying Ruin I is useless, when it costs half the MP of Ruin II for the exact same DMG, and Blind gets resisted if used too often...
I also use Ruin II only for blind effect (or for casting while moving), as previously mentionned.

Just because mana is not as much of an issue as for WHM doesn't mean it's better to waste it for no benefit. Any attention/time wasted on getting mana back whenever the fight gets critical won't be used on keeping my group alive (Yeah, I'm not an exeptionnal player, I do need to actually pay attention when I'm healing)