Diremite/Velveteen What's The Big Deal?

So hey, I just got into my 20's on Weaver and found that I had reached the dreaded Diremite Web stage, no biggie though I have been doing the triple hand in leve's that give you 10 webs each time and the gloves leve from the same guy and got 100 diremite webs in not much time at all..

But I was looking at the markets and I am trying to work out what the big deal is here? is it solely because RMT sell the webs? or am I missing something? cos velveteen gear doesn't seem all that different from other gear i've been making ie. the jump from hempen > cotton .. isnt much differnt cotton > velveteen

Anywhore now i can reliably make HQ Dew Thread and HQ velveteen I am wondering what is the big deal? What's the bigger picture? And should i be selling HQ Velveteen or making some gear i have not seen yet?

Those leves in Quarrymill don't always give diremite webs. You have to catch them at the right time. Also I believe they increased the web drop rate recently, so they are not as hard to get as they use to be.

Well, Diremite Web isn't much a problem anymore, wait until you get to Fleece stage. http://i.imgur.com/JhLGGOT.jpg

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Well, Diremite Web isn't much a problem anymore, wait until you get to Fleece stage. http://i.imgur.com/JhLGGOT.jpg

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very true! lol

Haha I am in the middle of the Fleece stage and I truely hate it. Most people in Coerthas are very egoistic on my Server because they want to sell them. My poor weaver needs a tons of them for himself but it only makes sense to farm them very early on the Weekend.

I try to help myself out with Leves from Adventurer Guild Level 40 in Ul'dah. You only get 6 fleeces but they also have the "bring me 3 of them and then 3 again and 3 more" quest there so you can get 18 fleeces with one quest and it's also good for levelling.

Oh and watch out while you are in the Diremite stage. The quest in Quary mills where you need 3 items and can craft 6 more is not really that good for gathering Diremite webs because some of the items you need to craft these items is coming from Diremite webs lol. You need even 2 of them if I recall correctly so in fact you only get 6 Diremite webs per quest. At higher levels, this isn't too much of a problem anymore to gather the items you need but when you are in that range (Level 25+), it can hurt having to use the items you need to get the items you need lol. I used to stick with the quests that give you 10 (or was it 11) webs for one item. Takes longer but on a long road, you get more of them.

I don't find Wool or Felt (though admittedly, Snurble Tufts were always plentiful) particularly troublesome anymore. :x

Then again, I am a White Mage who pulls all the sheep and bombard them with Holy. I've found that the sheep on the cliffs just slightly northwest of Camp Dragonhead are rarely camped. Tried your luck with those spawns? Either that or Phoenix is all kinds of suck. :p

so no answer to my OP then? basically they're not special just everyone camps them thats why they cost so much?

like i said in my OP, i am not worried about obtaining them or the price i was just wondering why they were so expensive in the first place ie. was there something i was missing.. thanks for the replies

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

so no answer to my OP then? basically they're not special just everyone camps them thats why they cost so much?

like i said in my OP, i am not worried about obtaining them or the price i was just wondering why they were so expensive in the first place ie. was there something i was missing.. thanks for the replies

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One reason is the demand for the said item. I haven't done any "gathering" for the mats to level up so I can't say for myself that it's hard to get it or what.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

I don't find Wool or Felt (though admittedly, Snurble Tufts were always plentiful) particularly troublesome anymore. :x

Then again, I am a White Mage who pulls all the sheep and bombard them with Holy. I've found that the sheep on the cliffs just slightly northwest of Camp Dragonhead are rarely camped. Tried your luck with those spawns? Either that or Phoenix is all kinds of suck. :p

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This is what I did. Generally when people see a White Mage at that camp, they're smart enough not to try and compete. Generally.

Regarding the Velveteen, it was a phase of weaving that is cumbersome prior to the hotfix.

There were few places that Diremite Webs dropped and most people did not know about the Quarrymill leves / unlucky with the leve reward.

The prices you see may be a lingering effect of those times until the market gets crashed.

Could always skip the wool stage like I did, just did linen guildleves all the way up to 50. You can get a virtually free, unlimited supply of flax at 31-ish botanist and just auto-synth it into yarn 99 at a time while you do something productive with your life, like read a book, then craft the leve items. Was cheap and easy, if maybe a little slower than some people might want to put up with.

As for the OP on the diremite situation. There used to be something like only 10-ish spawns in the entire game that dropped them, on a 5 min respawn timer, and the droprate was not exactly all that great on top of it. All the spawns were heavily botted by RMTs, and it was hard for any honest players to snag any without going through the market board and basically playing into the hands of the RMT monopoly on them. Since it is a material that is somewhat difficult to level weaver up without, the RMT basically were able to pick their own prices and charge honest crafters an arm and a leg to continue leveling their craft. But the latest mini-update increased droprate, respawn rate, and number of spawns I believe, making them a lot easier to come by now, though the RMT are still pretty rabid about camping them. That's what the big deal was about.

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

so no answer to my OP then? basically they're not special just everyone camps them thats why they cost so much?

like i said in my OP, i am not worried about obtaining them or the price i was just wondering why they were so expensive in the first place ie. was there something i was missing.. thanks for the replies

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You can't go by camped mat's. Everything is camped. Apkulla for the eggs, large buffalo for the milk, Diremites for the webs, Karkul for fleece, Golden fleece for snurble tufts. The price you see is the time it takes to farm them and it never really changes much as you level. I can farm Karakul twice as fast now as what I could when I started. I still get around the same amount of fleece per 30 minute protect buff. Same with Diremite. I can kill them 3 at a time in 15 seconds. I don't get any more webs than what I did when I farmed them at level.

I was very frustrated that I got wvr well into the 30s before I got the leve to give me diremite webs I needed for level 24 gear :( I ended up making the lv 28 gear before the lv24 gear... which I still wanted since I'm leveling all DoH and DoL. For me, it was much more about the "material to make stuff" than a "leveling" issue

And again, since I'm leveling all DoH, I know that the others don't have this kind of absurd bottleneck at such a low level. I'd be okay if all the DoH had different issues that were balanced, but that really doesn't seem to be the case.

Easiest way to level up to 50 is, do cotton till 30ish with Leves

Then you swap to Flax till 50, you going to do Linen Hat HQ triple turn in for 250k exp till you reach 50

Will need around 2500 Flax for that =) so get your BTN to 31 ^^

I did the Linen Wedge Caps of Gathering to get to 50. It takes a lot more leves, however you get bonus experience since it's also a delivery leve (made me wish the Observitorium had an aethernet crystal) and felt a lot faster. One of the things I hated was the sheer amount of shards that weaving could quickly go through as well as the number of craftings it took to make one piece of equipment, which made doing the triple turn-in leves unbearable.

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Originally Posted by Darkjolie

Easiest way to level up to 50 is, do cotton till 30ish with Leves

Then you swap to Flax till 50, you going to do Linen Hat HQ triple turn in for 250k exp till you reach 50

Will need around 2500 Flax for that =) so get your BTN to 31 ^^

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Linen Tights - uses same amount of Flax, but no Crow Feathers, for the same experience.

I've been farming banemites for the webs for days. It's tedious, and the HQ drop rate is astoundingly low. I hates it.

Diremite and fleece is no longer a problem they added more mobs that drop them, but its still far easier to skip both those stages with cotton and linen.

Gotta say though, crafting 47 linen yarns all HQ around level 35-40 is soul riping for one leve

but yeah, you gotta keep an eye on your lightning shard reserves, cause 249 Lightning shards for one leve if you build everything for it, materials and items is alot, of course it's no problem if your rich and can afford tons of shards

It takes 2 undyed linen and 1 linen yarn. That is to say, 4 lightning + 4 lightning, plus the linen yarn. That's 5 linen yarn, at 3 lightning each, for 15 total. 15 to make the yarn, another 8 to make the two undyed linen, is 23. The final product takes another 4 lightning, and 3 wind. 27 lightning, 3 wind, in total, per linen tights, or for those spending the extra time/money getting crow feathers, per linen hat.

27*9=243 lightning.
3*9=27 wind.

Add in the cost of 90 flax off of the marketboard, and you are looking at one mighty fine reason to level botany!

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

Oh and watch out while you are in the Diremite stage. The quest in Quary mills where you need 3 items and can craft 6 more is not really that good for gathering Diremite webs because some of the items you need to craft these items is coming from Diremite webs lol. You need even 2 of them if I recall correctly so in fact you only get 6 Diremite webs per quest. At higher levels, this isn't too much of a problem anymore to gather the items you need but when you are in that range (Level 25+), it can hurt having to use the items you need to get the items you need lol. I used to stick with the quests that give you 10 (or was it 11) webs for one item. Takes longer but on a long road, you get more of them.

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There is a lvl20 Leve In Quarrymill that gives you 30 diremites and takes none. It takes Cotton Coifs of Gathering which requires nothing but easy to get mats.

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

Anywhore now i can reliably make HQ Dew Thread and HQ velveteen I am wondering what is the big deal?

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This is the quote of the day!
Anywhore! Brilliant!

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Originally Posted by Alkalord

This is the quote of the day!
Anywhore! Brilliant!

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lol.. sorry.. RayWJ is a bad influence

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Originally Posted by JeniLinsky

I've been farming banemites for the webs for days. It's tedious, and the HQ drop rate is astoundingly low. I hates it.

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Wait 'til you get to snurble tufts.

You will see loads of them to kill. They all spam stoneskin and you kill them twice and the drop rate is like most stuff. 12.5% seems to be the base.And yes, they will be farmed 24/7.

It's not about getting to 50. I'm leveling all DoH, DoL, and want all of the gear that requires those items while it's still usefull.


Yes, there are leve rewards, but the item you need is rarely offered when you need it, and there's no way to control or predict the reward (yes, I've tried). It's wonderful if you get lucky, but sometimes you're unlucky :(