RMT Round 2: Goldceo STILL winning - Mute RMTs' communication

So, since the last thread, RMT Goldceo no longer create characters with name. However, he came up with a new method to beat SE and still continue to spams the player base with RMT messages.

Goldceo now goes and create a fake character "Sdbcx Assf" (Leviathan), spams the player base, then deletes the said character, goes on and create another fake character "Cvbcfhf Fgdfhf" (Leviathan) and continues on with his spamming. Rinse and repeat. Blacklisting him is useless, as the character is deleted within minutes, and new one created right after.

SE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, implement a system so players CANNNOT SEND you private tells or any form of open communication other then SAY w/o having to PLAY the game. Make communication an earned privileged that aren't available until the player hits level 10, 15, 20, or joins a GC.

Unless this is done, RMTs can to just create new characters within seconds to continue their operation knowing SE cannot stop them.

I know this may sounds harsh, but unless drastic actions is taken to mute these RMTs mean of communication, SE will always be on the losing end of the battle.

jc

His messages are getting more sophisticated too. Correct grammar and English, less alt-key characters..


It is evolving.

yep, i noticed it this morning

logged on, got a spam message, within 10-15 seconds i clicked my blist add <r> macro, and got the message "unable to add this user to blacklist" or whatever.
cause they quickly logged out?

a few minutes later, BAM, same person spams me, click macro, "unable to add"

and then a third time

The spam is out of control these past two days.

They really need to implement something where if you send x amount of tells in x amount of seconds it mutes you. Or if you are below such and such level you can only send tells to people on your friends list. This really shouldn't be something hard to tackle if they could only just make it so that five thousand people can't be messaged in less than ten seconds. I know that there are ways that spammers work around this, but an auto-mute system is despteralye needed. Spammers wouldn't even know that their messages weren't getting through then.

And I don't mean something that annoys players, I just mean a system whereby if you are sending an impossible amount of messages out you get silenced.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KingZeus

yep, i noticed it this morning

logged on, got a spam message, within 10-15 seconds i clicked my blist add <r> macro, and got the message "unable to add this user to blacklist" or whatever.
cause they quickly logged out?

a few minutes later, BAM, same person spams me, click macro, "unable to add"

and then a third time

---

Noticed that a few days ago when I started to spam them back. The system suddenly told me the tells could not be sent. Had 3-4 so far where the system said their characters could not be located when I blacklisted them.

Banning spammers won't solve this problem. SE needs to focus on banning gil buyers. No customers, no sellers.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sassychan

Banning spammers won't solve this problem. SE needs to focus on banning gil buyers. No customers, no sellers.

---

Sadly, it's not gonna happen. Gil buyers will always be there.

Actually it looks like they aren't deleting them. SE already fixed that: you can only create a certain number every 24 hours.

What it looks like they are doing is creating 8 of these characters, then logging in one to spam, then logging back out, log back in, rotating through different characters.

I don't know why you can't add to your blist someone who is currently offline though, so instead I walked into the quicksands and just waited until they logged back on, and blisted them before they even started.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sassychan

Banning spammers won't solve this problem. SE needs to focus on banning gil buyers. No customers, no sellers.

---

That sounds good in theory, but it's far more impossible to catch gil buyers than it is to catch the spammers, in my opinion.

The thing about the gil sellers is that they aren't ignorant. They know how to circumvent the system enough to keep taking advantage of things. It's absolutely insane how much effort they're putting in the game to cheat and make a quick buck. For the amount of harassment that they're giving players, I can hardly think that it's worth the small amount of change that they're fighting for.

All we can do is encourage our friends not to buy gil and promote these guys and report the messages to SE so that they can actively see what is being changed in the gil spammer's messages and amend their policies to combat it. I'll admit, I'm guilty of blacklisting some of the spammers without reporting them, but I'll do my small part and take the effort to fill out the little support ticket and send it in if it helps even a little.

Yoshi P said it himself, the gil sellers are always one step ahead. It must be a pain to fight that uphill battle.

SE should make it so that you can only send /t to people on your friends list until level 20. That'll solve the issue.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sassychan

Banning spammers won't solve this problem. SE needs to focus on banning gil buyers. No customers, no sellers.

---

Every player has the potential to become a gold buyer. Less buyers = less demand == drop in online RMT gold prices. And if they ever sink to a threshold of say $5 per million gil. HALF the player-base would probably become gil buyers.


SE's approach: Eliminate the supply, gil prices skyrocket, supply is harder to find. Win-Win Econ101

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sassychan

Banning spammers won't solve this problem. SE needs to focus on banning gil buyers. No customers, no sellers.

---

The reason why there are buyers is due to the intensity of earning gil imo. I think most casuals (and possibly hardcore) dont even have a DoH at 50 so they have no gil earning potential thus look towards rmt as a possible solution or they could just be lazy. But yeah rmt is pretty bland to me. If you can ignore ads in real life you can ignore them in-game.

...and another thread advertising specific RMT. Reporting...

As originally posted by Foxclon and translated by Reinheart:

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

もう1つお願いがあります。RMTサイトのURLを貼るのは場所によらずご遠慮ください。
間接的に宣伝にもなってしまいます。報告いただく目的であるとはわかっていますが、
ご協力をよろしくお願いいたします。
（過去の投稿のものは削除しておきます

---

There is one other thing I would like for the players to follow. Please do not post any links to any RMT sites no matter which site you’re posting on. This leads to indirect advertisement for them. I understand you’re just trying to report but please try to understand and help us.
(Those posts that had the links were deleted.)

---

They could just create a separate "earned" currency similar to how FFXI Abyssea cruor or bayld that is non transferrable but actually rather valuable for stuffs and items that are needed. As well as making sure that getting gil is very easy and you use gil for normal non vital items. When most of the gears are rare/ex and you have non traceable currency, "money" becomes a moot point.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sassychan

Banning spammers won't solve this problem. SE needs to focus on banning gil suppliers. No supply, no business.

---

fixed your post

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Luvbunny

They could just create a separate "earned" currency similar to how FFXI Abyssea cruor or bayld that is non transferrable but actually rather
No that is not effective enough. valuable for stuffs and items that are needed. As well as making sure that getting gil is very easy and you use gil for normal non vital items. When most of the gears are rare/ex and you have non traceable currency, "money" becomes a moot point.

---

Won't work that way. What are the Crafters going to do then? Selling non Vital Items? Why should they craft then.
And let's say if I as a lvl 50 GSM can craft Gear and sell it for the New Currency what would stop a Gill Seller prevent from buying that piece and give me money?
Maybe SE should just Buy Gil and look where it comes from? I mean somone needs to eliver it doesn't it? Can't you not like just buy it and then look at the char who sended you the Gil?
Makes another Question is that even legit? I mean if you buy Gil Online will you actually get it? I always though it is just a way to ripp you off of your Real Life Money.

I noticed today the tells are becoming polite some tells with hearts and smiles wishing me a good day, or like last night giving me a holiday discount of 13%! SE needs to hurry up and fix this, and if they cant then they need to open up my blist and take my 200 people limit away, cause Im real close to hitting that cap now, and I dont know what Im going to do then.

Gil sellers are now macro spamming shouts in cities now, blist macros that players are using. The Gil sellers are WAY worse on the NA servers rather then the JP servers. Don't know if that is because there is a bigger market here or if there is no where near the support staff for the NA/EU servers. Something real needs to be done because it is both frustrating and ridiculous and its hard to make money as a fledgling crafter if the gold sellers are allow to have their way with the markets.

I thought they put limits on creating new characters to combat this? seems like it's not working.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

SE should make it so that you can only send /t to people on your friends list until level 20. That'll solve the issue.

---

I'm loving this idea and it needs to stand out for devs to see it, however I suggest no tells period to anyone but people on your FL, in your FC and linkshells. There's no real good reason to be able to /tell others if it means putting an end to rmt tell spam. I would say to allow it at level 50 at least, or 30+. There are needs for /tells to others at times. Just... stop allowing RMT to do it. Making them work to level up to be able to spam their crap then banning them serves to dishearten them further. That's a good thing.

Shouts etc are a little harder to do, but who uses chat channels much as a newbie player at level 1? Practically no one does. So maybe move all chat channels to 15+? Seems like a forgiving starting point for most people, when they start to need chat channels for things. They have to do something because a good majority of players have chat channels filtered in city areas at this point. They aren't even being used anymore thanks to RMT.

i use blacklist macro. i push 8 0 0 on keypad and its over.

The workaround for the character creation cap has been to mass create characters prior to the actual use of them. For a few days, I would see the gil spammers popping up about 6-8 per second, then logging off and 6-8 more another second or 2 later. So essentially, they already have a huge bank of characters waiting to be burned. Not to mention that they can still create one every 24 hours.

Solution: Make it so you cannot create more than 1 character every 24 hours. Nobody needs to create more than 1 character per day.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

...and another thread advertising specific RMT. Reporting...

---

I don't see any links to goldceo's website. Thanks for not helping to solve the problem, though.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I thought they put limits on creating new characters to combat this? seems like it's not working.

---

The limits don't go far enough. Eight new characters every 24 hours times however many accounts they have is ridiculous. The limit should be one or two per week.

Limit character creation to once every 12 hours.
Limit ability to send tells to level 10+.
Make blacklisting a character blacklist that entire account.
Add easily toggle-able option to hide tells from players not on Friends List/Free Company/Linkshells.
Add right-click reporting, have report tied to account rather than character.
Automatically remove deleted characters from players' blacklist.

I think the idea of restricting tell until lvl 10 is brilliant. It seems like simplest and cleanest solution for all players.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CHunterX

Limit character creation to once every 12 hours.
Limit ability to send tells to level 10+.
Make blacklisting a character blacklist that entire account.
Add easily toggle-able option to hide tells from players not on Friends List/Free Company/Linkshells.
Add right-click reporting, have report tied to account rather than character.
Automatically remove deleted characters from players' blacklist.

---

I actually disagree with the character creation restrictions. I know we can preview different settings/lightnings when we create them but they still look different (esp skin tones) when you actually log in and see their animations. I can understand people wanting to delete their lala to redo it as a hyur, for example. Especially as a new player.

I'd limit tells to level 5 maybe, I wasn't even level 10 my first day playing, but was in contact with friends. I had a nice chat with a newbie level 1 about the game over the weekend in Uldah, and gave him new player info and tips (inventory sorting etc) and made a new friend. This wouldn't have happened with the chat restrictions.

I just don't think new players should have to be restricted so much due to the atrocity that is RMT.

I agree with the other items in your list.

RMT is so out of control in this game though they really should have roaming GMs at this point. That'd be the fastest most effective way to suspend an account for investigation ♥

Tell should be limited to level 10 only to strangers/those not in your LS/FC/Friend List
If say I have a new friend who's gonna login and I want to help them level. In order for us to find each other first we need to usually use tell to send them a hello and explain a few things.
If I can't do this that would be very difficult to get them up to speed.

I think they are also harvesting data from the lodestone itself. i had removed /shout chat entirely a few days after launch cause it was so bad, a few days ago i turned it off. It has gotten a whole lot better than it was. I was in Ul Dah even and didnt see any spam for a whole 15 min, then there was a flood of the smae thing changing the las three random letters, then it was gone again.

These things take time. As frustrating as it is for players, SE has to deal with gill sellers AND players complaining. I know its difficult but try to be patient.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mythrella

I actually disagree with the character creation restrictions. I know we can preview different settings/lightnings when we create them but they still look different (esp skin tones) when you actually log in and see their animations

---

Beauty Salon is coming with 2.1, making a majority of this a non-issue. I'm not sure about the ability to change skin tone being included, however.

Also, you could have simply added that level 1 player to a party to show him/her the ropes (it probably would have been more helpful for them to follow you for certain things anyway).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CHunterX

Limit character creation to once every 12 hours.
Limit ability to send tells to level 10+.
Make blacklisting a character blacklist that entire account.
Add easily toggle-able option to hide tells from players not on Friends List/Free Company/Linkshells.
Add right-click reporting, have report tied to account rather than character.
Automatically remove deleted characters from players' blacklist.

---

Limiting character creation is (apparently) pointless since the account itself is supposed to be what is banned, not just the character. And until the account is banned, that character is still active. So it would only inconvenience legit players. The /tell limitation might be a bit too harsh as well to be at lv10. RMT tend to bot everything they do, so botting to lv10 isn't exactly a problem. Again, it'd really only inconvenience legit players.

The b-listing of the entire account would be great, but I'm sure it has it's own problems. Like if someone shares an account, you dislike one person on that account, but befriended the other. You wouldn't really have known you just b-listed someone you like to talk to. That sort of thing. And as far as RMT is concerned, their accounts are (supposedly) banned, not just the character. So it's of minimal effect there.

The rest would be nice (or of minimal impact, in the case of the hide tells thing).

I'm not going to lie.... hitting lvl 10 is not hard at all, especially since you can obtain it thru just punching things outside of the grand cities.

We'd force them to bot to lvl 10 but at the same time, that means, everything they bot will also be on the market-boards.

I just want an option to not appear in search results unless its from people in my linkshell/FC/friends. I'm sick and tired of those annoying tells.