Add gil drops to turn 3 like the other dungeons

You pretty much don't even have to kill anything to clear turn 3, since there are no bosses. you can run past basically everything making all the trash irrelevant. I'm not asking for allagan drops, but they could at least add gil drops to coil like the other high level dungeons.

Or maybe a couple philo per mob. (never been in there so I don't know how many mobs there are)

do you think endgame players are gonna waste their time killing trash mobs for 1-2k gil?

I would kill the mobs only if I leave with 80-100k in gil... if not I will speedrun 2 dungeons (24mins) and get enough to buy and sell crafting mats for money making.

People at the level of endgame that are doing coil are not going to waste time on chump change. Honestly does anyone even kill mobs in the other dungeons because of gil. people are only killing them because they have to.

You kill them to spiritbond ilvl70 gear and sell you awsome tier III and IV materia

So the elitist exploiters are exploiting turn 3 now too? Pretty much every elitist on T3 or higher should be banned for exploiting the raid and skipping trash mobs.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

So the elitist exploiters are exploiting turn 3 now too? Pretty much every elitist on T3 or higher should be banned for exploiting the raid and skipping trash mobs.

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There's nothing to exploit in Turn 3. Bub.

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Originally Posted by Dhex

There's nothing to exploit in Turn 3. Bub.

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They're skipping all of the mobs. What's not to understand about elitist exploiters speedrunning raids for loot being an exploit?

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

They're skipping all of the mobs. What's not to understand about elitist exploiters speedrunning raids for loot being an exploit?

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Theres no loot though....

No it's impossible, too much work.

We don't even kill those mobs. We have a race to see who can get the farthest without dieing and get to the end first. We might even place bets on who is going to win.

I don't think this should be an issue. The floor is empty of every loot, so skipping mobs have no advantage instead a speedrun of AK, and it's designed to be just a filler floor. If 3° floor have drops it would be different, but like this it have no purpose

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

So the elitist exploiters are exploiting turn 3 now too? Pretty much every elitist on T3 or higher should be banned for exploiting the raid and skipping trash mobs.

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You can not be serious.....
Well. I thought I've seen it all on this forum but nope.. This tops it

How is skipping mobs an exploit.... You don't have to kill them, so why kill them, what's to gain from them? Nothing, there is nothing to gain and 3 or 4k gil doesn't make them worth killing. The logic of that being an exploit is about the most rediculous thing I ever heard.

I mean your logic is pretty much the same as

"Omg you left Uldah to Horizon on foot and you skipped mobs, you didn't kill them, EXPLOITER!!!"

If there is a mechanic where you have to kill all the mobs to activate the platforms and someone figures out a way to activate the platform without killing the mobs then that is an exploit. Just running by them is not an exploit.

People have been running by mobs since the beggining of MMOS.... seriously. Shoot in ffxi it was a game mechanic. You either killed the mobs or you could sneak/invis everyone and walk by them.

I feel sorry for anyone saying elitist exploiters because you must have had such a bad experience in this game that you go around namelessly labeling anyone as an exploiter that even remotely reminds you of said experience... Your stereotyping everyone because they skipped some skippable trash... GG

Personally I think anyone who calls someone an exploiter or elitist should be banned, your doing more harm to the community than the ""Real"" exploiters and elitists.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

do you think endgame players are gonna waste their time killing trash mobs for 1-2k gil?

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Trash + No lock out to worry about + 1k-2k Gil per kill = Gil farming paradise

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Originally Posted by Ryios

How is skipping mobs an exploit.... You don't have to kill them, so why kill them, what's to gain from them? Nothing, there is nothing to gain and 3 or 4k gil doesn't make them worth killing. The logic of that being an exploit is about the most rediculous thing I ever heard.

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Exactly. Have you done any of the endgame dungeons lately? People were skipping mobs, and as such we now have to kill them all. Don't fix what isn't broken, right? But it got fixed, so I guess it was broken.

It's the same thing with turn 3. I'm pretty sure SE didn't go "lets fill this room with big scary monsters, and have players just run past and kill none of them". If that were the case, they'd just leave the room empty. But it's not empty, it's full of baddies that were meant to be killed.

As for exploit: Anyone who has done turn 3 knows that you can run past mobs, hop on the platform, and have it shoot you to a new one where the mobs can't even reach you. You mean to say that putting mobs that have aggrod you into a position where they can't even fight back isn't an exploit?

skipping mobs can be considered an exploit because if you can skip them, and there's literally no reason not to, then why do they exist in the first place? There should be some kind of incentive. having the enemies drop gil (more than the enemies in other lv50 dungeons mind you, say like 250g for the smaller mobs and 1k for the major ones, per person) would at a bare minimum cover your expenses of running the whole coil (food, repairs,e tc).

If the turn 3 trash mobs dropped 3-4k like AK or WP, groups would still run past them and skip them because they don't drop loot. I don't know anyone at end game that would want to kill those mobs for 3-4k is not be enough incentive to kill the trash mobs. Talking about like 30 min to kill trash vs 3 min running past them. Most people at end game have all the crafts leveled could make 30k+ in 30 sec by crafting some random hq gear. The only way people would kill skipable trash mobs is if they either blocked the jump pads until the trash was dead or killing them all gave you loot at the end.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

As for exploit: Anyone who has done turn 3 knows that you can run past mobs, hop on the platform, and have it shoot you to a new one where the mobs can't even reach you. You mean to say that putting mobs that have aggrod you into a position where they can't even fight back isn't an exploit?

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... No it's not an exploit. I've been running past mobs since Everquest dude... it's common logic that exists in any game. If I 'the tank' run up and agro all the mobs and the whm just heals me while everyone jumps, then the whm jumps, then I jump..... How is that an exploit? It is not an exploit and I would absolutely love SE to chime on this and say it's not and that we are free to skip the stuff if we have the ability to do so.

It's not even hard to kill them, if it were even remotely difficult I might go, hmmm this trash has boss mechanics we probably aren't suppose to ignore them.... But they don't lol. The first time we did it me and the other tank just tanked an entire platform at once and aoed them down and killing them all only took us 5 minutes longer than skipping them...

Your logic is more flawed than skipping them.

Sure they fixed AK but that's because they didn't expect peolpe to clear AK in 14 minutes and it was at the expense of others and causing bias to ungeared people doing the dungeon (Which Exists anyways)...

When/IF they make turn 3's platforms not activate until all the mobs on the platform are dead, We'll kill them. And in no way is it currently an exploit. We are not doing anything the game was not designed to do or taking advantage of something that is broken. The mobs agro like they should, and the mobs have pathfinding like they should and they can't walk off plats (unless they are dropping on a plat below). And we can run from them just like any other mob in the game.

Seriously, by your logic, I should have to kill everything between uldah and horizon when I'm omw to horizon to do some leves on an alt..., because the mobs are there, and they were meant to be killed.

Exploit: An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have never been classified as a form of cheating; however, the precise determination of what is or is not considered an exploit can be controversial. This debate stems from a number of factors but typically involves the argument that the issues are part of the game and require no changes or external programs to take advantage of them.

Turn 3 Isn't bugged. When we skip the mobs on turn 3 people die, many many times lol. The adds agro, and some of them one shot the squishies with abilities. Sometimes we wipe completely. But to us skipping them is fun, it's more of a challenge, killing them is mundane and not a challenge.

By either definition, you cannot say turn 3 is an exploit without saying all the trash in the ENTIRE game is broken. Because it all agroes you, and it all stops chasing you after a while... And it all cannot go where you cannot walk a path to.

If SE doesn't want us skipping it they would have to make it impossible to do so via barriers like they do everywhere else.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

If SE doesn't want us skipping it they would have to make it impossible to do so via barriers like they do everywhere else.

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And they should, so elitists can stop exploiting the platforms to drop aggro without ever needing to fight a single mob.

Only make the platforms activate once everything on them has been killed. Boom, turn 3 is fixed and people will have to do it properly.

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misquote

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Why did you quote somebody else and attribute it to me?

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

They're skipping all of the mobs. What's not to understand about elitist exploiters speedrunning raids for loot being an exploit?

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Yup now that people are posting stuff about "Speed Running" turn 3 SE will make it so you have to fight trash mobs now.

What people don't understand is SE added a Turn with which there was no purpose, There are no REWARDS (loot) not damn thing for turn 3 No boss just Trash. So Speed running a Turn that gives jack shouldn't hurt anything.

Although it is not an exploit to run past mobs for speedrunning a turn, people need to stop referring to skipping trash in FFXI. It was a mechanic in FFXI, it is not an acceptable mechanic in parts of ARR. Precedence was set in AK speed running and the subsequent nerf. With that said, SE has stated that turn 3 is working as intended with no reward or goal for completing turn 3, therefore, I do not see a reason to fight the trash either.

TLDR: AK=rewards, Turn 3=Nothing gained, nothing lost

Turn 3 is fine, why are people complaining about skipping the trash? I got a better idea.

Remove Turn 3 completely and call turn 4 turn 3 and turn 5 turn 4.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

Turn 3 is fine, why are people complaining about skipping the trash? I got a better idea.

Remove Turn 3 completely and call turn 4 turn 3 and turn 5 turn 4.

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No, leave it as turn 3 and add a huge indiana jones boulder to it.

I'm sure they'll do something as benefit for Turn 3, just not in the immediate future. I'd suspect some miniscule reward to be added somewhere mid 2014 lol. It's working as intended for now, so there's really no point in questioning that very much.

why are people so goddamn stupid

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With that said, SE has stated that turn 3 is working as intended with no reward or goal for completing turn 3, therefore, I do not see a reason to fight the trash either.

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I don't see a reason for turn 3 to even exist then.

Turn 4 is really the boss of turn 3, but for technical reasons it had to be seperated.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Turn 4 is really the boss of turn 3, but for technical reasons it had to be seperated.

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This is a good way of putting it. I wish they were integrated.

Why have trash mobs at all if get no reward if it is a trash and slow you down or like wtf are we doing?, If it give a drop that sucks 99% of the time it will not be worth it. One the things the next generation of the mmos been trying to fix. It one of the reason Free to play games popular. Spend a week. Then the people will just move on to a new game. Hint have a mob kill total kill reward that worth the time on to the boss. When get 90%-100% mob kills. The group get a new rare item for a chance to drop. That is higher then normal stuff. IF get to fancy people just hate it and not have fun.

wtf did he just say

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why are people so goddamn stupid

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This sums up this entire thread.

-puts on tin foil hat-
EVERYTHING IS AN EXPLOIT!

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They're skipping all of the mobs. What's not to understand about elitist exploiters speedrunning raids for loot being an exploit?

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When you're fighting on the map and you go do a quest and there's ways to avoid certain enemies, do you avoid them or attack each one? Uh oh...you must be guilty of exploiting too!!!!!!!!!

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What people don't understand is SE added a Turn with which there was no purpose, There are no REWARDS (loot) not damn thing for turn 3 No boss just Trash. So Speed running a Turn that gives jack shouldn't hurt anything.

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You don't understand. Reiterpallasch is trying to say that if an enemy exists, it must be killed and you must enjoy the experience because that's the way it was intended since the devs are obviously our overlords and the game must be played exactly that way or else you're ruining the game for everyone else and puppies will die.