Why post gear/wep when /sh LFG

I don't get this. If your looking for WP and AK, why /sh relic +1 full dl etc? It's just WP and AK for goodness sakes...esp WP. Why not just post your job?

Simply put: speed runs

Because you can clear WP/AK for your tomes one hell of a lot faster in DL w/ relics than you can in AF and low lvl accessories.

So they can do it faster.

When you have to do something 100+ times, you want to do it as fast as possible.

I got the speed run part but,

This topic is more aimed at the individual trying to join a group for AK or WP without mention of sr and not a group looking for a member. It's just someone wanting to get a group period. I see it all the time.

Cause regardless of SR or not, a Relic+1 person might get into any pt faster than someone who doesn't mention their gear.... perhaps o_O

It feels like you're just looking for an argument for the sake of it without thinking of possible logical answers first, lol.

I think it is understandable.

There are a lot of DPS looking for group.

So if one DPS shouts with a lot of information on him/herself - he has a higher chance to get an invite compared to a "dps lfg plz inv" shout.

True, Relic and Full DL is not neccessary, but it is an advantage... and if a group is looking for a DPS they either take friends/FC-members... or if they take strangers, they pick one that has a high chance of being a well equipped and experienced player if they have a choice... and they usually do.

Let's put it this way. I run AK on my scholar who has DL + Relic. If I'm going to form a group or if I'm looking for members I'm going to grab the guy with the relic over the guy without.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Reslin

Let's put it this way. I run AK on my scholar who has DL + Relic. If I'm going to form a group or if I'm looking for members I'm going to grab the guy with the relic over the guy without.

---

This. There's typically lots of DPS looking for group. Listing gear/etc is just a way to make you stand out from the crowd.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Trystan

So if one DPS shouts with a lot of information on him/herself - he has a higher chance to get an invite compared to a "dps lfg plz inv" shout.

True, Relic and Full DL is not neccessary, but it is an advantage... and if a group is looking for a DPS they either take friends/FC-members... or if they take strangers, they pick one that has a high chance of being a well equipped and experienced player if they have a choice... and they usually do.

---

People on Siren tend to be very smug so, if you don't shout relic or relic + 1 / Geared; it's more than likely that you won't get a group at all, actually.

I guess it varies by server but, that's my experience thus far.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pinworms

I got the speed run part but,

This topic is more aimed at the individual trying to join a group for AK or WP without mention of sr and not a group looking for a member. It's just someone wanting to get a group period. I see it all the time.

---

Even if I was forming a normal run of a dungeon, if I see someone advertise they have a relic I'm more likely to take them since it means they have experience and gear necessary to do the dungeon smoothly, as opposed to picking up a newbie w/ a ilevel 50 weapon on duty finder.

It's almost getting to where most people has it or close to it. I'm not trying to start an argument at all. I also understand someone's gonna pic someone shouting relic over not. I'm just wondering if this is going to be a trend that we see for the rest of this games life...having to shout your gear while lfg or do you think when the gear requirements for dungeons are put in place it will stop? It doesn't make me mad or anything people do it esp since I'm a Titan kill away from having my own, it just seems like that's a lot of information to sift through when /sh text is usually flowing pretty fast in mor dhona.

There's got to be a better way? Maybe put an "R" in front of job? Like RBLM or +1BLM? If your have your relic or +1 can't we assume you already have full DL or close?

/sh Relic +1 BLM LFG WPSR or AKSR full DL
/sh +1BLM LFG WP or AK sr
And
/sh RBLM LFG etc

Which would you prefer? This isn't even taking into account you have myth gear.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nuinn

Cause regardless of SR or not, a Relic+1 person might get into any pt faster than someone who doesn't mention their gear.... perhaps o_O

---

Which is sad, since WP drops Ilvl 55 gear and was designed for people in AF to gear up with it then tackle AK then tackle end-game. You can clear both dungeons without being "decked out."

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tupsi

Which is sad, since WP drops Ilvl 55 gear and was designed for people in AF to gear up with it then tackle AK then tackle end-game. You can clear both dungeons without being "decked out."

---

Yes but if you're wearing that ilvl 55 gear I guarentee you won't get the 10 minute runs people want

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Garnatian

So they can do it faster.

When you have to do something 100+ times, you want to do it as fast as possible.

---

Why you have to do WP or AK so much? I do them every now and then (two or three per day) and am already bleeding gear for both BLM and SCH.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tupsi

Which is sad, since WP drops Ilvl 55 gear and was designed for people in AF to gear up with it then tackle AK then tackle end-game. You can clear both dungeons without being "decked out."

---

No one is stopping you from running a WP in ilvl 55 or hell even AF gear, you just have to make a group and get people willing to go in your run with that kind of gear, which will be similarly geared people, you are bound to wipe/be slow but thats what you expect. Don't expect to put 0 effort into your gear and get a SR with relic geared people.

I need something like 90 WP's for DL and relic on my next 2 50's and Im prepping for them in advance.

With a relic/DL group I can run WP in 15 minutes. With a normal group it can take 40 minutes.

90 * 15 = 1350 = 22.5 Hours = .93 Days
90 * 40 = 3600 = 60 Hours = 2.5 Days

Would you want to run WP for 2.5 Days Straight non stop back to back, or less than 1 Day?

Realistically it would be two weeks of 4 or 5 runs a day. With bad groups though it could be 4 weeks of 4 or 5 runs a day.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Why you have to do WP or AK so much? I do them every now and then (two or three per day) and am already bleeding gear for both BLM and SCH.

---

Full Darklight Gear and Relic on one job is approximately 50 WP runs to get enough myth. You are bleeding gear? From where? WP and AK gear? WP and AK gear is not acceptable gear for BCB. People farm DL so they can go to BCB and be as geared as they possibly can be because BCB is hard.

Two tanks are shouting for a group:

(Paladin) (Looking for Group) (Amdapor Keep) Please Invite

(Paladin) Full DL Relic +1 (Looking for Group) (Amdapor Keep)

You're at 3/4 and need a tank, which one are you gonna reply to?

I notice this too when I shout for AK/titan parties without asking for 'gear + exp'. I'll get tells from people 'blm DL and EXP invite me'. Not sure why they'd say that...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mishakai

Two tanks are shouting for a group:

(Paladin) (Looking for Group) (Amdapor Keep) Please Invite

(Paladin) Full DL Relic +1 (Looking for Group) (Amdapor Keep)

You're at 3/4 and need a tank, which one are you gonna reply to?

---

The first one, because DL tank armor is ugly :P (also, wouldn't it be better to take the less geared one so they can... get geared, and your server will have more geared tanks because of that?) Who am I kidding though, I have my shouts turned off, even if I'm shouting for members :P

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amyas

I notice this too when I shout for AK/titan parties without asking for 'gear + exp'. I'll get tells from people 'blm DL and EXP invite me'. Not sure why they'd say that...



The first one, because DL tank armor is ugly :P (also, wouldn't it be better to take the less geared one so they can... get geared, and your server will have more geared tanks because of that?) Who am I kidding though, I have my shouts turned off, even if I'm shouting for members :P

---

Yeah, I agree, the DL is pretty fugly... But man, people are so easy to keep alive when they are wearing it.

I tend to ignore these shouts in Mor Dhona and either group with my FC or just go through the DF, regardless of my having a Relic+1. These people sit there shouting for an hour to form a group when you can do twice the amount of runs in the time it takes them to get a group together.

Two reasons: speed runs or they want to be carried.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Orophin

I tend to ignore these shouts in Mor Dhona and either group with my FC or just go through the DF, regardless of my having a Relic+1. These people sit there shouting for an hour to form a group when you can do twice the amount of runs in the time it takes them to get a group together.

---

When you start running end game DF instances as a DPS, instead of a TANK, you can come back and let us know if you still feel the same way. Shouting for 30m to get a speed run group together (and possibly run several times), or sitting in DF for 30m to get a random one off group....I wonder what is better

It's all about speed and getting something distasteful done as fast as possible: I really can't blame them all things considered...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mishakai

Two tanks are shouting for a group:

(Paladin) (Looking for Group) (Amdapor Keep) Please Invite

(Paladin) Full DL Relic +1 (Looking for Group) (Amdapor Keep)

You're at 3/4 and need a tank, which one are you gonna reply to?

---

First one - There's absolutely zero guarantee that the decked out one even knows how to tank and why not help people get geared? They'll never be picked if someone will never take them because they don't magically have all the gear necessary :p

Not sure if it was mentioned, but it's important to let people know how great you are whenever you get the chance. This is the answer to your OP. Thus, even if you're not specifically looking for a speed run, don't omit information about that beefy gear, brother! Personally, I add "relic+1 and full DL" to my WTBs in Ul'dah too. Ok, that was a lie. I don't have that. But if I had I would.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whilke

When you start running end game DF instances as a DPS, instead of a TANK, you can come back and let us know if you still feel the same way. Shouting for 30m to get a speed run group together (and possibly run several times), or sitting in DF for 30m to get a random one off group....I wonder what is better

---

I don't play this character anymore. I just leave it up for posting on the forums.

I started a new character on a new server and all I have played is DPS, so I know what patience is. I'd much rather prefer doing some gathering, crafting or leveling another class over joining some group that takes twice as long to form a group due to their ridiculous requirements to run a dungeon.

It seems some people are in such a rush to focus on one thing, but I just take my time and do other things while waiting on queues or people in my FC to be available to do a run.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tupsi

First one - There's absolutely zero guarantee that the decked out one even knows how to tank

---

There's no guarantee the one without gear knows how to tank either. When you know absolutely nothing about a player other than the gear they have, taking the one with better gear is a safer bet.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

There's no guarantee the one without gear knows how to tank either. When you know absolutely nothing about a player other than the gear they have, taking the one with better gear is a safer bet.

---

I'd take the second too, at least you know the pld with +1 relic won't fall off during repel as he has done it enough times to get +1.