New use of Physical Level

Instead of abolishing Physical Level, a new tool of implementing "Racial Traits" gained through physical level would be a great way to keep Physical Level while allowing attribute growth to shift over to classes like planned.

System Explanation:
Every Physical Level gained gives the player +1(PL01-15), +2(PL16-30), or +3(PL31-50) Racial Trait points (RT or RP, but not RTP). These can be spent on various racial traits, or retrieved at a rate of 1 trait/period that matches with resetting attribute points in the old system.

Some example traits:
Sea Wolf Expertise:
RP: 4
To Equip: 3 points
Effect: You lose 4 piety to gain 2 strength and 2 dexterity.
Race: Sea Wolf Roegayden

Sea Wolf Rampage:
RP: 10
To Equip: 5 points
Effect: When you regain HP through a spell cast on you, you gain a temporary attack bonus. (+5 attack for 10 seconds).

Duskwight Stealth:
RP: 10
To Equip: 5 points
Effect: You gain a small accuracy and attack bonus when your target is attacking a nearby ally. (+2 attack and +5 accuracy when behind a target currently targetting another party member.)

Hyur Pride:
RP:15
To Equip: 10 points
Effect: You gain a small amount of MP each time you successfully hit an enemy with a melee attack. (+1 MP each time you hit with an arm from MRD, GLD, LNC, or PGL)

These ideas are broken, but trying to get the dev team thinking.

I agree with you! At very first letter of the producer Yoshida said that there would have no character wipe during these changes...but that's exactly what they are doing. The removal of Physical levels is a partial wipe since they are removing something people put effort to raise.

I also agree that, instead of removing it, there are many ways of using these levels so the players won't feel they are removing something we already put effort to gain. I also suggested them a similar idea today, but was a trait system with access similar to FFXIII's crysalis, where you can chose a path and follow it, chosing branchs, to access certain traits this way.

I think that it would be cool if physical levels were used to give non combat bonuses. I have seen quite a few people who would be interested in more ways to interact with the environment, and I think that they could use physical levels to add some more depth to this.

Maybe add things like how high your character can jump (or fall without taking damage), how fast or for how long they can sprint, ability with lockpicking, how long you can swim underwater and other things could drastically change how they make dungeons. Shortcuts accessible to parties who have good swimmers, fast runners and skilled climbers would give parties another form of diversity that adds to the feeling of being an adventurer.

Having special skills beyond just fighting would add a depth to exploration that most games lack. It would even add depth to combat. A smart archer would climb up where his enemies couldn't reach him, and sometimes the best way to sneak up on an enemy is to run up as fast as you can and nail them in the back of the head.

Maybe the higher you raise your physical leve, the more inventory space you get too.

Lots of crazy ideas. Anything to keep physical level in play. Keep them coming. Be detailed if you really want to see your idea happen, such as statistics and how exactly it would work.

Example is a list or tree of traits and what they do.

I was very detailed when i sent them the suggestion...but here i'll just make it simple.

I suggested you receiving 1 proficiency point at every level 1 and having 4 proficiency trees to spend them on. Attack, defense, accuracy and evasion trees.

If the player start using points at attack tree, hewill often reach branches where he can access attack bonus traits, magic potency traits, damage type enhancements, etc.

Same for the other trees, with defense bringing traits for bulky builds and countering, evasion bringing traits for damage prevention builds, like parry, block and evade bonus traits and accuracy tree bringing traits for a more effective performance, like accuracy, critical rate, spell resist management, etc.

I'm challenging myself in tossing them physical level suggestions in a daily-basis until the june patch come and remove it or until they find a suggestion worth keeping the physical levels. I'll see if i also post them in this topic so it will be very detailed.

I really like the idea that a physical level represents the overall development of your character. I also love how it encourages horizontal growth. So here's my suggestion:

-make it harder to increase your physical level
-have each level up give you a very small bonus, like more hp.
-raise the physical level limit

This way, physical levels basically become a Merit Point system.

Or another idea, let us keep the physical level even if it has no effect on the game

Here another suggestion:

Why don't you guys use the points from physical level to work in a similar way merit points did in FFXI?

Every level up would give you some points (maybe just use the current or new allotment amounts) and you being able to spend these points to enhance certain actions from classes you reached max rank.

Would be very nice seeing the enhanced effects of actions you like best when used by the native class (of course these points wouldn't affect the acrtions if used cross-class).

There's many options that could be used this way...

Cast, recast effect duration, accuracy, damage, incapacitation rate, increased effect of buffs, etc.

It could even offer exclusive action this way (maybe for jobs only so they could be job exclusive).

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Originally Posted by Dras6fin

It is frozen, turned transparent staying in the background, all of our current physical levels are not do away with but are sealed and untouched for now...

I know this is not an answer to help your cause op, (*but personally physical level just didn't do much for me so I can't think of much to say right now) at the very least forgo the abolish and just have it disconnected for the time being then maybe someday like in the future it could be used again for something. Not to be mean or hating or derailing the thread nothing like that at all, only stating another way to doing things... that is all.:cool:

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The whole thread is about ideas to keep it in use. That whole post was pointless.

Make physical levels rule HP, MP and TP. Separating HP from Vit and MP from MND would be awesome seeing allotment will be at classes now. Having a way to raise HP, MP and, occasionally, TP would bering a brand new life to physical levels.

Like allowing to add up to 1000 at one of these attributes if you put everything in one or splitting this 1000 points the way the player feel like doing would be an awesome way of customization.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

Make physical levels rule HP, MP and TP. Separating HP from Vit and MP from MND would be awesome seeing allotment will be at classes now. Having a way to raise HP, MP and, occasionally, TP would bering a brand new life to physical levels.

Like allowing to add up to 1000 at one of these attributes if you put everything in one or splitting this 1000 points the way the player feel like doing would be an awesome way of customization.

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I didn't even think about that. I don't see how that would be considered broken, except maybe the TP bar (3000 always being the limit regardless of class and rank.) Maybe HP, MP, Stamina, stuff like that.

While I like the spirit of your idea in trying to make use of the physical level system, I don't see how racial traits have anything to do with attribute growth through classes. The only thing I can see this particular idea doing is to effectively pigeonhole players of a race into specific job roles again since we all know that game communities equate "absolute best" with "the only viable option" no matter how small the difference. You're a Roegadyn conjurer? Gimp. GTFO. L2P. etc. etc...

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Originally Posted by Wynn

While I like the spirit of your idea in trying to make use of the physical level system, I don't see how racial traits have anything to do with attribute growth through classes. The only thing I can see this particular idea doing is to effectively pigeonhole players of a race into specific job roles again since we all know that game communities equate "absolute best" with "the only viable option" no matter how small the difference. You're a Roegadyn conjurer? Gimp. GTFO. L2P. etc. etc...

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That's exactly what is concering me. We going back to that disgusting situation FFXI had where if a race isn't good for the class it would often be excluded even if having very decent gear and being a skilled player in that role.

Who never said an "Ewwww!! Galka WHM! Just grab the taru/elvaan!"

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Originally Posted by Wynn

While I like the spirit of your idea in trying to make use of the physical level system, I don't see how racial traits have anything to do with attribute growth through classes. The only thing I can see this particular idea doing is to effectively pigeonhole players of a race into specific job roles again since we all know that game communities equate "absolute best" with "the only viable option" no matter how small the difference. You're a Roegadyn conjurer? Gimp. GTFO. L2P. etc. etc...

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Racial traits centerfocused around specific classes would be a problem. Unique traits for each race would be nice, but gotta keep it balanced so that each race doesn't end up favoring one class over another. Of course can't have racial traits copy/pasted from one race to another or it's not really "Racial" or even "Clan".

Oh, an idea I thought about related to your idea Lienn was a +% bonus to HP or MP, maybe both, from physical level instead of traits. Such as a PL50 character can get +50% HP and MP or +50% divided between the two as the player chooses.

I don't want to see FFXI's *This race does this job best* crap again. I like that lalafell gladiators can do just as good as Roeg gladiators. Best to just call it 'Character Traits'. Going racial means going in that direction.

Yes I would like this...as of now theres no real difference besides looks between the races, adding races traits would be quite a nice touch

Then every class can have crap accuracy compared to miqo, only lalafell should ever be mages, etc.....

Race differences has shown an extreme annoyance to players in FFXI. Hopefullhy they won't do the same mistaken here...specially since it does not happen right now here.

IMO race/clan should be used only for an base automated growth for balancing purposes. But the allotment would still allow players to do a fine-tuning to their character, allowing them to, if they feel like doing it, being able to have optimal attributes for a certain class just like a favorable class does (which means being able to reach that class optimal attributes' cap no matter if the race is favorable or not).

By racial traits it looks like everyone is thinking I mean balancing attributes to favor one race over another. Sure a few attribute changing traits, but mostly just secondary effects like a small MP recovery when getting hit, or a small HP or MP recovery when hitting an enemy, or a small TP bonus when you are healed, etc. Nothing like "You gain so much accuracy, making your race have better accuracy than the rest." More like "This race gets an accuracy bonus that consumes MP." or "This race gets an accuracy bonus while HP>a certain %", various different ways to get the same bonus from race to race.

From Matsui-san...

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

When it comes to battle, class rank should, by logic, be more important than physical level. The reality of the situation, however, is that attribute point allotment is dependent upon physical level, something that is causing complications in our endeavor to improve the battle system.

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The reason that physical level is being "abolished" is because the physical level abilities were making balancing content based upon class rank difficult. The different between a rank 1 level 1 vs a rank 1 level 50 was very large, even with the rank caps and limits. It seems to me that any concept that revolves around changing combat balance via physical level is doomed, unless the effect is so minor that it's not worth implementing.

To that end, I'd suggest non-combat attributes such as:

• Small movement speed increase when in passive mode
• Increased HP/MP regeneration mode when sitting
• Use physical level together with class rank to unlock jobs.
• Unlocking of additional emote commands

These are a few I've thought of. Key criteria is that they don't effect the combat, keeping it easy for Matsui-san to balance the new battle system. A lot is riding on this battle system, and anything that increases the risk of breaking it should be delayed, imho.

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Originally Posted by Amineri

From Matsui-san...



The reason that physical level is being "abolished" is because the physical level abilities were making balancing content based upon class rank difficult. The different between a rank 1 level 1 vs a rank 1 level 50 was very large, even with the rank caps and limits. It seems to me that any concept that revolves around changing combat balance via physical level is doomed, unless the effect is so minor that it's not worth implementing.

To that end, I'd suggest non-combat attributes such as:

• Small movement speed increase when in passive mode
• Increased HP/MP regeneration mode when sitting
• Use physical level together with class rank to unlock jobs.
• Unlocking of additional emote commands

These are a few I've thought of. Key criteria is that they don't effect the combat, keeping it easy for Matsui-san to balance the new battle system. A lot is riding on this battle system, and anything that increases the risk of breaking it should be delayed, imho.

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My reason for racial traits in place of attributes is that with physical level, you can purchase the traits yes. But how many trait points you have to equip traits is already completely based on rank. It wouldn't interrupt that balance for that reason. However, if it were implemented it may be slightly unbalanced at first until tweaked with updates.

Edit: Also, I really like the idea of HP/MP regenerating faster with higher physical level instead of higher HP/MP to preserve balance. Would allow you to rank faster yes, but you would still face the same challenge as anyone else in a fight WHILE fighting the enemy.