please make a statement about the lag issues. be as brief and cryptic as you like if you want. but it would be nice to know if it is actually considered a problem, and if there are plans to fix it.
currently, your silence only leads me to believe that it is financially a better plan for you to let enough people quit (and therefore ease up the load on your servers and make the game playable for remaining players) than to actually fix the problem.
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10-25-2013, 02:56 AMvincent1SE please make a statement about the lag
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10-25-2013, 02:59 AMRamzi
They already did... for Europe, and the statement was that they would work with the Euro ISP's to solve the problem on THEIR end. lol.
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10-25-2013, 03:04 AMBegetaYou do realize that if you're on one of the NA/EU servers, THEIR end is OUR end as well right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramzi
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10-25-2013, 03:06 AMRamziI meant SE was passing blame to the IPS in Europe instead of taking ownership. I'm in Canada, so I doubt I hop through any Euro servers to get to Montreal.Quote:
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10-25-2013, 03:09 AMvincent1oh well, so in other words SE is still in denial that their servers, software, etc is part of the problem. (who knows, maybe it is all of the problem). truly amazing. seen all kinds of bad mmo launches, as I am sure many of us have. this is the first time that responsibility for fixing the problems has been put on somebody other than the game company.Quote:
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10-25-2013, 03:10 AMSomeonewithclap
Have had 0 lag issues since I have started playing this game that were not from my ISP side.
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10-25-2013, 03:21 AMBegetaYou have to consider the possibility that they are correct in saying the problem(s) are with the ISPs. I'm currently dealing with the same type of problem with an in car device my company uses in its fleet. For months now my testing has determined that the issue(s) are being caused by changes the ISP has made in the local market. The ISP just today admitted that their "upgrades" are the cause and are working with us to resolve it. Also, your proximity to the servers doesn't have as much bearing on the number of hops between you and the server as you might think.Quote:
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10-25-2013, 03:30 AMvincent1
ok. let's imagine for a moment that the problem is with the ISPs, backbones, etc.
but let's also mention a few other things. correct me if I am wrong.
1. there was a ff11 mmo that came before
2. there was a ff14 (I guess that totally bombed) mmo that came before
so you, and many people in the community, are telling me that after having produced 2 mmo games that were released in north America and Europe, that SE is not aware of which ISPs might be better and which routes to take through some kind of internet backbone might be better. you are telling me that after producing 2 games that they are not aware of how to avoid such probems (if they do exist)
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10-25-2013, 03:59 AMBegeta/sigh ok it's going to be hard to help you understand the issue without a very long winded explanation that would also require you to get off of the auto-blame SE bandwagon that so many are riding on. Instead I'll just say your thought process is leaving out the facts that both games were made prior to significant and ongoing changes to network infrastructures. Because of those changes, many companies and developers are having to work with ISP's in numerous markets to resolve issues related to network traffic, bandwidth, latency, etc. The only thing I'm asking you to do is not preclude the possibility that SE is not solely responsible for the ongoing issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by vincent1
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10-25-2013, 04:09 AMvincent1
I can listen to what you are saying. but look at the first post in this thread. all I am asking for is some kind of response from SE. I have my own ideas yes, but I would really just like to have some kind of statement from SE.
if you count up posts in several of the largest threads there are 2000+ complaints about the lag problems right now.
I think this deserves some kind of attention, and a statement of some type from SE. if it was just a thread started by me with like 10 replies, I would think they should ignore it. but it is much more than that.
even something as simple as 'we understand that people are experiencing lag and we are looking into it' would be something. but as it is, all we get is silence. -
10-25-2013, 04:24 AMBegeta
And on that point I agree 100%. The recent silence on the topic is only inviting vilification. At the very least an acknowledgement of the ongoing and more recent latency issues is warranted.
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10-25-2013, 04:30 PMZohnoReecho
fyi FFXI servers never left japan.
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10-25-2013, 04:38 PMKraggyKorSince I and many others had problems until SE GOT BT TO FIX BT'S P2P THROTTLING I think it safe to say your assertion it was SE's problem is clearly false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramzi
This thread is another that demonstrates it's ISPs who cause the problem, not SE:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rrounding-area
All those saying must be the SERVERS because their 'ping' time is fine clearly have no idea what the real problem is, so they'll carry on blaming SE when SE are powerless to fix a problem that is not of their making. -
10-25-2013, 05:20 PMWonderfulYou, KraggyKor, and a few others on this forum are really funny (NOT)!Quote:
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You don't have any problem what so ever with this game, but you simply MUST comment in every single thread that is created here in tech support ....
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10-26-2013, 01:44 AMsvann
I think I fixed my lag. Complained to comcast and they came out and fixed some stuff. Have not had a single lag since, and Im monitoring it constantly using ping -t.
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10-26-2013, 03:05 AMvincent1a last rage against the lag
I guess I can still comment. my account should be closed as of today as I am not subbing. some questions and observations about the positional aoe lag, or whatever you want to call it.
I feel that many people who have replied have told me it is my problem to take care of, and that it is not a problem caused my SE. so I have a few questions in response to that.
1. I have noticed that as a workaround I can avoid getting hit by aoe if I stop once I hit the edge of the red circle, or if I do an instant cast once I hit the edge. this forces position to update right? if the problem truly was with all of the isps, backbones etc that my data travels through, logically this would not work as a solution. if I stand still or cast an instant spell I would still be 'throttled' if that was the problem yes? I would say this alone points out faulty programming on the part of SE.
2. I can see if I bought ffxiv, then got on a plane and moved to a country where the game is not marketed, started to play it, and complained, that I really would not have any grounds to complain on. but this is not the case. I live in southern California. I bought a game that has minimum specs that my connection and computer are way beyond. it is the responsibility of SE to make sure that since they marketed the game to me in California that any backbones or connections I go through the game would still work, even connecting to a server in montreal. for all of you who keep on saying it is my responsibility, I really think you have gone off the deep end.
3. as many others I am playing games like world of warcraft, guild wars 2, rift, and others and I chat with people in those games from new Zealand, Australia, and many other places in the world. no positional lag problems is in these games.
so this is just a last rage. I know that there will be a dozen repsonses right after this telling me how things are broken on my end and SE is not at fault at all. but really, if throttling etc was the problem, how am I able to use a workaround of pausing at edge of circle or casting an instant spell. sorry but your argument does not hold up. -
10-26-2013, 03:39 AMntall1
If your lag is not rubber banding due to bad routing, and a symptom it is low FPS.. That is not the same lag issue that everyone is complaining about. The lag issue is with bad routing from crappy segments on your way to the SE data centers. If you are having a drop in FPS than that is a local issue. Not being able to dodge AOE's is bleeding into the real issue. If you have the routing rubber banding issue.. chances are you are not even going to make it to a boss to be able to find out you can't dodge aoe's.
Players lack of skill with AOE circles has nothing to do with the bad TATA, and Cognito segments that are the root of the real lag issue. -
10-26-2013, 03:56 AMvincent1
well I have seen quite a few videos now in these forums of people being completely out of red circles, the circle then disappearing, and then they get hit by the spell or whatever. is this the 'lack' of dodging skill you are talking about?
but since I am not locked out of the forums yet I will spar a bit more. in my opinion, and just call me totally loony crazy if you like . . . before SE published the game they should have done some kind of research of how data would flow from various places they were planning on marketing the game to their servers. they have at least one previous mmo right? and if they are marketing ffxiv to the same areas as their previous mmo they would have some knowledge of how the data flows? and if you tell me they did not do some kind of research of this type I would then have to call you crazy haha.
when it all comes down, this is my uninformed best guess. from previous mmo experience, SE is taking an educated guess at how fast/slow the game population will change. and perhaps they are trying to hold out for 4-6 months to see what the population is like. then, they will pay for more bandwidth, upgrade servers, etc, in order to serve that population. if they do so now, they stand to lose money as some number of the players will drop off and the extra hardware etc would be wasted.
unfortunately for peeps like me, they expect me to just hang around until they are ready to make these changes and put up with inferior service in the meantime. also unfortunately, for whatever reason, the choices they made have really impacted the initial release of the game in ways I have not seen in other mmo releases. -
10-26-2013, 05:02 AMntall1Lawl... They did have this data.. It was gained in the beta phases... In the final beta phase, Open Beta.. they had over 1 million players trying to log in. The lag issues existed in open beta, and persisted thru early access. They had the data... They just choose to do nothing with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vincent1
As for AOE circles.. Everyone will experience at least a few times being out of circles and getting hit. But this is very minimal in my experience. The real issue it the packet loss that causes everyone to freeze in place for 3 - 10 seconds then speed up over and over and over. -
10-26-2013, 05:28 AMBegetaApparently you weren't aware that FFXI has/had servers in SF as well. Latency became a hot topic when JP & NA HNMLS's began competing for claims. JP would often out claim and someone made the claim that the latency gave JP something like .001ms advantage allowing them to claim before NA even saw it spawn. Some time after that if I'm not mistaken SE responded with something to the effect of "you NA are connecting to the game through our servers in SF. Cry more". Prompting a whole new generation of server raping claim bots.Quote:
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11-09-2013, 10:49 PMBoretalith
Greetings,
It seems that there have not been any further posts about this concern being an ongoing issue. Because of this, we are considering it to be resolved. If this does continue to be a concern, please create another thread to further discuss resolutions or contact the Support Center at support.na.square-enix.com for assistance.