Paladin and Raise during combat.

I think the Paladin job should be able to cast Raise during combat.

There can be times when the healers are dead in an instance battle due to AOE etc, and the Paladin in the group is unable to save the party because they can't cast Raise during combat.

Trust me, these things happen. You could be forced to wipe, and restart the battle because of this.

Players, Square Enix, what is your thoughts on this? Discuss below.

I personally think everyone should be able to use resurrection item with 5-15m cooldown during combat. No reason to limit it to PLD alone.

Maybe they can make certain traits cross class. Since PLD uses CNJ and MRD for cross class, they could allow us to make use of maybe 1 or 2 cross class traits so that we can use combat raise from CNJ. This of course would mean that the PLD would need their CNJ high enough to have learned the trait, but it would give PLD the ability to raise in combat.

Also, why give us phoenix down and the GC raise potions if we can't use them in combat? The application and use of those items is severely limited and makes them more of a novelty item, imo.

What then? Give everyone comfy pillows to sit on while they rationally argue with monsters until they decide to give you their loot and go home?

Wipes happen. Deal with it.

WHM, SCH, and SMN can all raise during battle. If you're worried about a wipe because your healer(s) died, take a SMN DPS.

Content is already easy enough, we don't need SE to go and make it any easier.

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Originally Posted by Amas

What then? Give everyone comfy pillows to sit on while they rationally argue with monsters until they decide to give you their loot and go home?

Wipes happen. Deal with it.

WHM, SCH, and SMN can all raise during battle. If you're worried about a wipe because your healer(s) died, take a SMN DPS.

Content is already easy enough, we don't need SE to go and make it any easier.

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Being able to ress people during combat with an item does not make the content any easier, it just gives you chance to recover from mistakes. You could even make the content harder because of there being additional ways to recover.

As a Paladin, there have been times I wished I could have been more helpful and raised my healer after they fell. However, I don't think Paladins should be able to raise during combat. It would make the combat easier. Yes, content could be adjusted to be more difficult, but that would take a lot of time because everything is currently balanced around having only WHM/SCH/SMN raise during combat.

PLD with a combat raise, just another thing to give warriors to cry about. I am going to say no to this idea. Currently healers can raise enough as is.

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Originally Posted by konflikti

I personally think everyone should be able to use resurrection item with 5-15m cooldown during combat. No reason to limit it to PLD alone.

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Then it would me more like WoW lol

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Originally Posted by Jediman

Then it would me more like WoW lol

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But items aren't spammable, there's a long enough cooldown to make it a viable alternative for good parties to be able to recover from random screw ups that aren't entirely fatal. I mean, PLD for example has Hallowed Ground. It's mostly a useless skill as it's only utility is if the healer stops healing you, or the healers need a break to raise someone else. If all the healers are dead, why can I not use this skill to give me the opportunity to pick back up a healer safely to allow the party to recover? And it has a long cooldown so it's not like it's going to save me more than once in any fight.

Well I would like to see PLD to able to raise party members in combat once he or she is dead its game over for the rest of the party. :(

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Originally Posted by Jediman

well i would allow the PLD to raise in combat once he or she is dead game over for the rest :(

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I... I can't even parse that sentence. Do you mean the PLD can raise once in combat, but if the PLD dies it's game over? Or the PLD to raise once he/she is dead, and screw the rest?

Either way, I've been in many situations where tanks have died but healers are good enough to get a fast quick-cast-raise off and get everything back under control just fine. I don't see why it should be limited beyond cooldowns.

What fights are you doing where if your healers are dead the PLD has a free 8 seconds to cast Raise without getting interrupted or just flat out killed?

sorry updated... if the healer is dead its game over for the rest vice versa for pld as well.

giving the ability to pld also makes it nice come back ^^

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Originally Posted by CurlyBruce

What fights are you doing where if your healers are dead the PLD has a free 8 seconds to cast Raise without getting interrupted or just flat out killed?

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Hallowed Ground + Raise would be a viable option for an emergency healer raise. I can see that getting wasted alot, and healer would likely take the raise instantly and get brought into cleave range. Proper way would be HG + Raise, once cast is finished move the boss away from where the healer will be spawning at.

I'm very undecided if I would want to see this change, but as it sits right now CNJ cross-class abilities need a major overhaul as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Lucavern

Hallowed Ground + Raise

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So waste Hallowed Ground to raise a single healer who will have no HP or MP and be weakened....huh? You realize the PLD will just die soon after that anyway right?

this is where the potions will come in handy just an idea :P This way it will increase economy boost

Raise should be a low level cross skill for ALL classes and jobs that gives XP when used equiv to two trash mob kills of your level.
- That would go a LONG way towards boosting community in the game.

Having seen the impact it has in GW2, I'm convinced this is one of the few ways you can get NA players to suddenly get very nice and friendly towards each other... and don't care if its a 'genre stretch' - its good community sense.

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Originally Posted by CurlyBruce

So waste Hallowed Ground to raise a single healer who will have no HP or MP and be weakened....huh? You realize the PLD will just die soon after that anyway right?

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And depending on the content, the tank would have died irregardless with being a healer down. Not sure how using Hallowed Ground in an attempt to recover an encounter is a waste though.... Do you recommend the PLD just die with Hallowed Ground still available? I don't know about you, but I'm all for using any tricks and tools at my disposal as necessary. I absolutely hate wiping without first attempting to use any and all available options.

I guess I could just take your advice though, and not use my CDs when the situation warrants their usage. Such a better approach, not sure why I didn't think of it myself.

the PLD JOB is to tank.. thats its role in a party to tank tank tank

you want raise? change to class GLA.

thats the whole point of the JOB/CLASS system.

EDIT: my bad.. nothing to see here.. i plead ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

the PLD JOB is to tank.. thats its role in a party to tank tank tank

you want raise? change to class GLA.

thats the whole point of the JOB/CLASS system.

thank you.. good night.

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Um pld has raise.

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

the PLD JOB is to tank.. thats its role in a party to tank tank tank

you want raise? change to class GLA.

thats the whole point of the JOB/CLASS system.

thank you.. good night.

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Uhh.... what? You do realize that Paladin already has access to raise, and does not need to change to GLA to get it, right? The current thread is about gaining access to using Raise in combat. Currently the only way that CNJ raise can be used in-combat is on CNJ itself, as they gain a trait that removes the out-of-combat restriction that is in place on Raise by default. Ressurection on the other hand is in-combat by default I believe and no traits necessary. But I don't believe Resurection is a cross-class activated ability.

On the topic of cross class traits. That 8 pecent increase to stone skin would kinda be overpowerd. On a pld with 5.5k thats pretty close to 1k of shielding. So basicly its like healing yourself for that much.

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Originally Posted by o3o

On the topic of cross class traits. That 8 pecent increase to stone skin would kinda be overpowerd. On a pld with 5.5k thats pretty close to 1k of shielding. So basicly its like healing yourself for that much.

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how much damage reduction does stone-skin give anyways ?
And whats its cast time for PLD?

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Originally Posted by Amas

What then? Give everyone comfy pillows to sit on while they rationally argue with monsters until they decide to give you their loot and go home?

Wipes happen. Deal with it.

WHM, SCH, and SMN can all raise during battle. If you're worried about a wipe because your healer(s) died, take a SMN DPS.

Content is already easy enough, we don't need SE to go and make it any easier.

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Hmmmm a raised Healer with a 2 minute weakness debuff makes life cushy and easier.....and your playing the same game I am?

I actually do agree with this. PLD's don't really feel much like PLDs in this game :/ Not enough magic.

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Originally Posted by DartFx

I actually do agree with this. PLD's don't really feel much like PLDs in this game :/ Not enough magic.

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yeah agree cure sucks for us i don't know why also when you are dead you don't get 255mp when you are raised again for shield othe a fuck up there lol

watch closer tera boobs they glow lol

I think I'll pass, most content in the game is already easy enough with a little practice and patience. Besides most 8 man content goes with two healers, and typically if everyones getting hit or the tank's taking so much damage that the 2nd Healer can't take a few seconds to help out a player who got sucker punched there are probably more things to be concerned about than letting a PLD help zombie a group through content.

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Originally Posted by konflikti

Being able to ress people during combat with an item does not make the content any easier, it just gives you chance to recover from mistakes.

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In what way does making content more forgiving NOT make it easier? Can you imagine a 24 man CS group with 6 or more incombat instant rezs and THEN 24 people using items? This would allow for 30 + deaths in a fight to be remedied.

Sounds like it would make it easier to me...

How many 24 man content will there be? Besides, if PLD was given combat raise, it is most likely they'll be the last resort/last ditch effort to use it to recover from a possible wipe.

As it is right now, Raise is useless on PLD. In a 4 or 8 man instance if the healer or anyone that can raise didn't dodge an aoe and dies then its their fault but, when that happens the PT automatically wipes. "Oh damn.. Healer is down, lets wipe and start over.." To me its just broken having raise on your action bar, and you cant use it to bring back the healer if you're the only one alive that can raise.

Its very rare, but it happened twice with me. As I wonder how both healers not dodge an AOE and died at the sometime. The other five party members just accepted it, and waited for the wipe. I know you can't always win them all, but a wipe like that is just sad. Its not like going down fighting, its more like I give up, lets start over.