CM AFKers

We need an option to vote to kick players from dungeons, have had this same toon join in multiple CM runs as a tank and he just sits there which then results in the group not finishing/starting the run. the groups have all reported him, not sure what else can be done.

If I am thinking about the same person who is a tank and just sits at entrance, then that is just too funny. The GameFaqs PS3 FFXIV:ARR board had a thread about this particular individual too. My group and I ended up leaving him after turning off the first CM searchlights. Ironically, we knew he was there since he was skipping cutscenes.

so far i know of 2, momoko cute and the one i reported earlier :/

3 trys today and so far 3 afk tanks, not a single completed run.

Yeah,... I kept seeing afk tanks in CM too before I stopped going when SE added philo locations. Our party would report them but honestly I doubt it does any good. Maybe we'll get a vote to kick option in the future though ♥

I used to lothe people who hopped around in the 'circle' while others were in a CS like a Jack Russell Terrier on speed because 9/10 it ment they were going to be a problem.

Now I almost wish they would as they have less a chance of just sitting there "AFK".

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Originally Posted by necrosis

I used to lothe people who hopped around in the 'circle' while others were in a CS like a Jack Russell Terrier on speed because 9/10 it ment they were going to be a problem.

Now I almost wish they would as they have less a chance of just sitting there "AFK".

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Nah, they can still be afk.
http://www.thevariousartists.com.au/...nking-bird.jpg

I think we had the same tank (warrrior with relic and full DL from odin server).

I wont name his full name, but his first name was Joki, and we saw him moving and skipping cut scenes, but wouldn't help.

We all reported it as harassment, and I would like to see these 'Jokers' banned for a month, as this is a complete waste of everyones time. Vote kick can't come soon enough.

1) People still run CM?
2) MVP system in 2.1 is hoped to keep people from doing this.
3) If MVP system doesn't work, they did mention they'd look at vote-kick for 2.2 or 2.3
4) Perhaps you shoul run WP/AK instead (gear + tomes!)

While you're at it make a stiffer penalty for auto-quitting CM just because half of the party is new. So many absolute unhelpful selfish jerks in duty finder.

I will NEVER judge a person for trying to watch the cutscenes in CM...

...as long as you don't judge me for spirit bonding crafting jewelry while we're there :)

I forget where. but it was reported somewhere on the forums that the GMs said a player does not have to help in a party or something like that, reporting them does nothing.

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Originally Posted by WintersMoondancer

I forget where. but it was reported somewhere on the forums that the GMs said a player does not have to help in a party or something like that, reporting them does nothing.

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My reports have been replied to saying that players refusing to perform their duties/roles is considered harassment to continue to report any such behaviour. They could not tell me the actions taken, but gave a link to their policy.
Pretty standard message, not sure if anything way done. They, at least, implied that reporting does lead to an investigation though.

I hate the ones who sit at the entrance the whole time, then we get to part two of the last boss they decide to join in and say "Oh sorry I needed a band-aid for my paper cut" or something else that's stupid -__-. But now I don't even touch CM it's all WP and AK n_n!

I had a tank in CM who AFK'd at the start. He came back about 20+ minutes in, clicked through the cutscenes and said, "Oh my cat got away so I had to chase him". Then two seconds later he afked saying his cat got away again.

Someone told the AFKer that they were reporting him. The AFKer replied right away(so he was clearly just sitting there...) and said that reporting does nothing because SE doesn't have any rules against it. He said a GM told him that. Then he afked again and never came back. People started to quit shortly after that.

I'd really like to know if AFKing all of a dungeon is against the rules or not. It's important to me now because there's no vote to kick option yet.

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Originally Posted by Lilou

have had this same toon join in multiple CM runs as a tank and he just sits there which then results in the group not finishing/starting the run.

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Not that I condone anyone going AFK in CM to leach tomestones. But I have got to say it, if the other tank is worth his salt, you can clear the entire thing even with the other tank AFK.

Seems like you guys just annoyed of those parasites, because you have a new tag in this thread: "oh look this thread again".

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

Not that I condone anyone going AFK in CM to leach tomestones. But I have got to say it, if the other tank is worth his salt, you can clear the entire thing even with the other tank AFK.

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I refuse to do that as a matter of principle. If no one let the leechers leech they might eventually give up. But seriously, SE needs to either let them be kicked or at least ban the heck put of these folks, because they sure won't care the slightest about not being voted Most Valuable Player.

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I refuse to do that as a matter of principle. If no one let obnoxious leechers leech they might eventually give up. But seriously, SE needs to either let them be kicked or at least ban the heck put of these folks, because they sure won't care the slightest about not being voted Prom Queen -- er, Most Valuable Player.

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I agree, but I also think about the other 6 people in the party getting screwed (especially the dps). If the other tank decides they wanna afk, I'm not going to let that stop me or the other 6 people from getting our stones, rather than those other people going back into queue for potential hours.

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

I agree, but I also think about the other 6 people in the party getting screwed (especially the dps). If the other tank decides they wanna afk, I'm not going to let that stop me or the other 6 people from getting our stones, rather than those other people going back into queue for potential hours.

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True, it is a bit of a moral dilemma. I at least offer to leave first and take the 15 min cool down.

i was told from someone that a vote to kick is gonna be implemented next patch, havnt read it in a dev blog yet so kinda skeptical.

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Originally Posted by Lilou

i was told from someone that a vote to kick is gonna be implemented next patch, havnt read it in a dev blog yet so kinda skeptical.

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Please see the post I am quoting from above that I posted YESTERDAY.

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Originally Posted by Johnist

1) People still run CM?
2) MVP system in 2.1 is hoped to keep people from doing this.
3) If MVP system doesn't work, they did mention they'd look at vote-kick for 2.2 or 2.3
4) Perhaps you shoul run WP/AK instead (gear + tomes!)

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Originally Posted by WintersMoondancer

I forget where. but it was reported somewhere on the forums that the GMs said a player does not have to help in a party or something like that, reporting them does nothing.

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you can bet that SE will change that policy sooner or later if we keep making sure they know we are bothered by it.






that being said, I still think someone needs to make a wall of shame website. with a fancy url so everyone remembers to check it daily, too.

I have already blacklisted a few leechers that happened to be on my server (I always check on the lodestone and keep a personal list just in case), but it's not enough -.-


I HOPE the MVP system won't even be needed anymore by the time 2.1 comes out and 'these people' will have lost interest in the game and moved on. part of me really wants TESO to come out faster so some of them leave, hopefully for good -.-

I don't get how people can be this lame.

-Is it a boring mindless grind no one wants to do? Yes.
-Would it be nice to get it done without actually doing anything? Yes
-Does that make it right for us having someone else do it for us, without even having their compliance on it? ABSOLUTELY NO.
-Should we do it then? Of course not. Unless, the people you are running with agree to it. But it's still pretty stupid, If you just can't take the grind, then maybe you don't deserve the gear, seeing how everyone who has it had to go through it, no reason to make special cases.

AFKing in a dungeon is ok, if you really had to, but honestly, you should try to avoid it if possible, ofc a random 2 minutes afk cause something happened or you really had to go bio or something is ok. But you should try to let the party know at least, and if possible if you dont really have to, have them agree on it, obviously some jerks will be jerks, but a lot of people aren't like that really.

-Why should it be avoided? Because we are all in there and want to get the things done! And it's not just your personal time in play but also the one of all the other party members.

It's all just a matter of respect for the others really. A moral thing. :/

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Originally Posted by Lilou

i was told from someone that a vote to kick is gonna be implemented next patch, havnt read it in a dev blog yet so kinda skeptical.

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I cannot quote it, as I don't really wanna go back looking into it trying to find it, but one of the representative guys on the forum, yes those with yellow background and different pictures, said their development team was looking into the possible implementation of a VTK (vote to kick) system.

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Well, that was actually really easy and fast ^^ I kinda remembered the guy's avatar picture or however you wanna call it.
So here's the quote.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello,

From a technical standpoint, it wouldn't be very difficult to have a vote to kick feature for the Duty Finder, and we are planning to implement this.

However, as there is the concern that it could be used maliciously to get rid of players that groups do not like, we are working hard to create a system that reduces the chances for problems to occur. Due to this, we are continuing to look into the feature, as well as whether we will implement this in patch 2.1.

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Derp, edit again: I forgot to clarify that this was a while ago which you can check by following the quote. And I believe they might have said a thing more about it, but nothing major. Just wanted to clarify that this is old and may not be valid anymore. Anyway, have a nice day.

Sounds to me like the problem is in the GM System.

Clearly vote kick has possible issues.
Clearly the MVP system will have no effect on those that want to AFK and gain free rewards.
Clearly there are a number of means to get around automated AFK detection. (maybe)

You should be able to petition a GM and actually have them do something about it in a timely manner.
This activity should be documented.
Repeated offenders should be banned.

There's not much more to say here.

Here's an automated AFK detection idea though:
Detect damage dealt/healed and yalms traveled. If either of these fall below a specific threshold for a certain amount of time...

Boom you're out!

People will still troll, but I think the issue here will be encountered far less.

a filter system will put rage quiters with rage quiters >griefers with griefers and so on >problem with duties is the heavy wait time via DF >im a DPS so it takes average 30+ minutes to find me a duty via DF > now people are selling runs WTH is this community turning into wall street?

Heres a breakdown what ive seen > 2 weeks ago people did AK got through it > farmed tomes> got full DL gear>became elitest>still do AK runs to troll (leave as soon as they see someone with 1 DL gear piece and primal weapon > somehow bypass the DF 15m lockout !!

something needs to be done against griefers/trolls

I am going to be refusing to continue groups I see afk'ers in from now on. I'm tired of these people.

To the other people in groups I have to leave because of this, I do apologize and I really don't mean to make it worse on you. Don't blame me, blame the AFK'er and SE for not having something to fight this.

Yeah I have to agree, while we can clear it with 1 tank. I feel that its not fair to keep giving that leech free tomestones. I typically have everyone in the group report them then we all quit and rejoin. Stinks that one of the innocent people has to eat a 15 minute lock out, but its far better to have 1 innocent person wait 15 minutes then 1 guilty person abusing the fact that tanks get instant queues and can basically afk all they want because there is no punishment.

Why do you guys just not run WP or AK? They both offer the same amount of philosophy, and WP can be run just as fast or faster than CM.

The problem with the 8 man story dungeons is that one person can typically be carried. In 4 mans that can't happen.

Now here's an issue people are gonna bring up... getting carried. I've encountered quite a few incompetent (or illiterate or slow or mentally fragile) players while running CM (easy carry), WP (moderate carry), and AK (difficult to carry if tank/healer). I usually run in a group of 2-3 with my FC friends and we have carried the random undergeared character through these dungeons... but it gets progressively more difficult.

With 2.1, they are planning the MVP system and the Duty Purpose system which will allow you to select what you are running the dungeon for and match you with people of like mind (hopefully not too many undergeared selecting Speed Runs, although skill can make up for gear in some instances but gear can NEVER truly make up for a lack of skill).

To the "noobs, do WP" people.

Not everyone is running CM to farm tomes. Shocking, I know, but still. If you want to help a friend/FC member with their storyline you can't go and say "lets run WP instead of CM!". Also if you're actually more than 4 people, WP again is not really a convenient option, with the whole 4 man party going on.

People need to stop going "lol you're doing it wrong" when people point out glaring faults. It should NOT be the job of players to make sure AFKers don't bother them. It's SEs job to make sure that these kind of players can't afk. Either by actually banning them for what they're doing or implementing a proper vote to kick (Yes, I have 0 faith in SEs vote to kick, watch it have tenthousand limitations, so you can only kick in one scenario nobody ever encountered, because omg it could be abused). People need to stop acting as if the game is perfect simply because the issue doesn't bother them anymore.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Why do you guys just not run WP or AK? They both offer the same amount of philosophy, and WP can be run just as fast or faster than CM.

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Serious question?

Okay,
1) Like johnist said, gear... plain and simple CM is easier than WP/AK and has more room for slack
2) If your like me (casual, no LS/FC, 1-1.5 hrs a night TOPS), you rely on Duty finder, and people rage quit WP/AK if you dont have relic + full dark light, i had 3 groups disband on me for being a healer without relic in AK before a group was nice enough to let me go with them. we still cleared it in 20 minutes, but most people aren't willing to try

When people go afk in CM I try to convert it to a Spirit Bond run. Where we deliberately skip the search lights and just farm trash in spirit bind gear until they come back and be like "Why we no killing bosses" and I say "Oh this is a spirit bind run, we don't kill bosses here". Then you punish them and still get something out of it.

I got an afker in praetorium last night, first AFK I've ever had. The universe must have been having one of it's rare days though, the guy DC'd right before the last bosses so he go no tomes anyways. xD

(The WAR that joined after he DC'd made the easiest 100 tomes of his life.)

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

I got an afker in praetorium last night, first AFK I've ever had. The universe must have been having one of it's rare days though, the guy DC'd right before the last bosses so he go no tomes anyways. xD

(The WAR that joined after he DC'd made the easiest 100 tomes of his life.)

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He got karma'd LOL.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

When people go afk in CM I try to convert it to a Spirit Bond run. Where we deliberately skip the search lights and just farm trash in spirit bind gear until they come back and be like "Why we no killing bosses" and I say "Oh this is a spirit bind run, we don't kill bosses here". Then you punish them and still get something out of it.

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Great idea! Had someone in our FC bragging about AFKing while in CM runs, he was all I play LoL while afking in CM. Arent you a tank? Yep... And then I kicked him from the FC.

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Originally Posted by Claire_Ares

Serious question?

Okay,
1) Like johnist said, gear... plain and simple CM is easier than WP/AK and has more room for slack
2) If your like me (casual, no LS/FC, 1-1.5 hrs a night TOPS), you rely on Duty finder, and people rage quit WP/AK if you dont have relic + full dark light, i had 3 groups disband on me for being a healer without relic in AK before a group was nice enough to let me go with them. we still cleared it in 20 minutes, but most people aren't willing to try

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You're on the wrong dutyfiner server my friend. I will gladly take an undergeared player (Item level 42+) through WP if the undergeared player has an IQ high enough to read and learn and apply said learning to the situation.

I lol at Relic requirements as AK doesn't even need Relic for win, just for speed. For AK I ask at least Item Level 55 weapon (Darklight (WP drop), Crafted (Prerelic), GC, or Ifrit (60), and an average item level above 49 for the body.

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Originally Posted by Claire_Ares

Serious question?

Okay,
1) Like johnist said, gear... plain and simple CM is easier than WP/AK and has more room for slack
2) If your like me (casual, no LS/FC, 1-1.5 hrs a night TOPS), you rely on Duty finder, and people rage quit WP/AK if you dont have relic + full dark light, i had 3 groups disband on me for being a healer without relic in AK before a group was nice enough to let me go with them. we still cleared it in 20 minutes, but most people aren't willing to try

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#2 describes Elitests so well >and you wonder how they got that name !!!

How are people finishing AK in 20 minutes with duty finder? even with +1 DD's it usually takes me 30-35 o.o