I tried searching for tank gear requirements on the forums for Titan HM but couldn't find any information easily because most Titan results are about forming groups. I have 4 pieces of DL, a couple of iLvL 48 rings, then AK/WP gear. I don't want to use earrings just because. I have the Darklight Kite Shield from WP. I have the Darklight Macuahuitl from WP but no primal weapon. I currently have 4780 HP out of party and plan to get 5000 or more HP before seriously trying titan.
I am concerned having the DL weapon instead of a Garuda weapon will not be enough. I've wiped in Garuda often because of bad groups and don't want to do Garuda 50 times and still have no weapon. What gear does a Paladin need to tank Titan HM?
Titan HM Tank Gear Requirements?
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10-22-2013, 02:44 AMxRitzxTitan HM Tank Gear Requirements?
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10-22-2013, 03:01 AMTaranNos
I would want full DL(+hoplite or crafted ring), including earrings. Mountain Buster hits hard and the better you soak it the more the healers can heal the rest of the group too.
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10-22-2013, 03:02 AMKryzen
5.3K unbuffed is a good number to have. Honestly though the more gear the better. The more HP you have and dmg you can mitigate the more healers can focus on the stupid DPS who keep getting hit. DL weapon is extremely risky as well. If your WHM decides to have a little fun with AoE heals have fun fighting him for threat. Any DPS running relic in the group and they will give you a run for your money as well.
Whats the deal with you and earrings? Think someone going to question your manhood or something? Whatever it may be, unless you are overgeared with your other items i suggest you suck it up for a bit and equip that bad boy. No need to make everyone else work harder in a already challenging fight for dps/heals. -
10-22-2013, 03:02 AMCycloptichornWell, I'd advise you to buy a pair of earrings; there's no excuse not to, and the stats help, even if it's just a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by xRitzx
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10-22-2013, 03:13 AMXbob42
5.5k while in a group is what I'd say is a good number to be at, HP-wise. But knowing when to use your cooldowns is far more important. (Hint: As soon as phase 5 starts and 5 seconds after a landslide every time thereafter, have cooldowns up!)
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10-22-2013, 03:15 AMGriffeth
He is afraid of his manly character wearing earrings.
The stats will help. You also dont need the Garuda weapon, try getting the Ifrit one at least. Having a base of 5k HP is a good start but if you know the rotation and when to use cooldowns that will probably help. Also do you plan on running the 2 healer setup or the 3 healer setup? -
10-22-2013, 03:16 AMEhayte
Darklight Earrings of Fending give you 10 vit, plus Parry. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe its something like 15 HP/Vit at level 50?
You are missing out on 150hp by not wearing earrings. If I had advice to give, I would say wear the earrings.
Other than that, I have 5600hp in group, and I have don't have any problems tanking Titan through the heart (my FC isn't to Titan yet, and I have just done crappy PUGs, no haven't gotten past the heart). -
10-22-2013, 03:19 AMRemn
I would say tank should have around 5.3-5.5 any lower than that you ran a risk of getting kill by Mountain Buster Combo. I had 5.6 on my tank and i lose count on how many time MB combo get my lower than 500 HP. and dont forget that healer have to heal you DPS too, so they might not have time to top you off ater Rock buster (Titan almost alway sue rock buster b4 mountian buster.)
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10-22-2013, 03:23 AMRemn3Healer is a bad idea, unless you have really good DPS (a few relic +1) and tank got a decent ewapon (garuda) because with 3 healer you would need to charge up LB (lv 2 or 3 , depend on party) and the fight will last a lot longer (assuming that your dps dont have relic ). The longer the fight in final pahse the more damage stump will do. (the number of time he do stump will keep on increasing as the fight goes on)Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffeth
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10-22-2013, 03:24 AMxRitzx
Thank you for the replies. I will gear up for 5.3K HP unbuffed and see if my FC will help me farm Garuda since I beat Garuda 1st attempt with them. I don't want to have earrings on a male character but I will use the DL earrings temporarily to get past Titan or any other hard parts in the game.
I don't really know what I will be running. My FC currently only has 1 well geared healer (basically full DL and Garuda weapon) though so I will probably trying doing the 2 healer set up with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffeth
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10-22-2013, 03:36 AMfearfactoryman
Tanking Titan is super easy...in fact the Tank has the easiest job out of all classes for that fight. I would highly recommend you get over 5200 HP before trying though. This means full DL accessories (you need an earring...seriously...), full AK gear for other slots with Ifrit weapon minimum. This is very doable with that gear provided the rest of your team is up to snuff with dodging & healing. More is always better though as you need to be able to survive some of the high damage moves he does.
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10-22-2013, 03:40 AMJonjeyYOUR CHARACTER IS WEARING A HELMET YOU TWELVE YEAR OLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by xRitzx
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10-22-2013, 04:00 AMGriffethI would suggest the 2 healer setup. But it sounds like you all need some more gear and you need to get over that fear of earrings before hand. If you dont like them, turn off the helmet options and I believe it hides the earrings.Quote:
Originally Posted by xRitzx
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10-22-2013, 04:07 AMZoomieHe's using the ugliest helmet in the game to cover the earrings he's NOT wearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonjey
@ OP: Sorry man... its just silly to not wear earrings. I get that maybe you don't want to show them off but you already show your helmet. Are you so RP you can't come to terms with actually wearing earrings to be the best you can? In my opinion you're doing a disservice to every single player you group with. Its not only silly its selfish and in my FC would be completely unacceptable. Just my 2gil.... -
10-22-2013, 04:20 AMxRitzxThanks for the suggestion. The FC I'm in hasn't cleared Titan yet. We have 4 healers at 50 total I think, 5 tanks at 50, and about 11 DPS at 50. Only a few members have full DL. I know for fact 1 healer and 1 tank are our most geared and the other healers literally hit 50 within the last couple days. So we will probably do the 2 healer set up because it works better for our composition anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffeth
My FC is pretty laid back. I didn't think people would really be that upset about the earring, I'll start using them. It's kind of silly not using them but it's kind of silly not having another option there like earring/2nd wrist spot. There's different FCs for different people and while we will have a few max/min people everyone can do what they want as long as they are helpful and don't cause drama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoomie
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10-22-2013, 04:28 AMZoomieI can appreciate being laid back and I would agree that its about having a good time. That being said when you die to mountain buster because you were 200 HP short... its gonna be your earrings fault. Consider the fact that if you screw up bombs you could take upwards of 7000 dmg over 5s or so. As a PLD who's tanked and killed Titan I'm saying you WILL want to max your survivability. There is so much dmg going around that taxing your healers more is just silly. Without an earring you're going to take more dmg from everything. Granted it may seem small but over a longish fight like titan I would imagine you will require a fairly large number of increased healing running with an empty slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by xRitzx
Again, its just silly and selfish. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about having a good time. That being said Titan is NOT the place for it. Especially if you're trying to kill it for the first time. -
10-22-2013, 04:29 AMTeleniel
better gear helps... deciding not to wear a gear slot "just because" is going to get flamed pretty hard.
That being said I was able to tank Titan HM with:
Ifrit's Axe, Hopilite ARMOR, Darklight Accessories (2nd ring Hopilite) ... While using Knight's Bread (toss it up once P5 starts)
"under geared" is a term people use a lot, and I think that's because they assume that all content after AK should be done in full Darklight + Garuda weapon... advancing in to il90/relic as soon as you can. But to repeat, better gear does help.
For DSP/mages 3,000hp is a minimum for Titan. 3,500 is safer if they can reach it.
For tanks you need 5k+ (Pld) or 6.5k+ (War) again more is better.
If you have the HP to live through table flip and they have the HP to live through stomps.... and people avoid plumes / bombs / landslide... you're fine. -
10-22-2013, 04:44 AMAmas
If Harrison Ford can rock an earring, you can rock an earring.
Your argument is invalid. -
10-22-2013, 05:09 AMTiggy
Men all over the planet wear earrings. Get over it. It's not some homophobic thing. You came here asking for advice and you're surprised you were reamed for the earring situation?
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10-22-2013, 05:15 AMNorack
first time i beat titan HM was in full AF and no accessories on at all.
You just need ppl that know how to move out of the big red areas and u beat him. -
10-22-2013, 05:26 AMRaminax
I'll admit, this made me chuckle.
Though I'll also admit that the Darklight jewelry is hideous. I mean, those giant, gaudy gemstones hanging from your ears... <_< -
10-22-2013, 08:32 AMXbob42
For what it's worth, if subligars were the best tanking gear in the game, I would straight up refuse to wear that stupid bullshit, so I get where he's coming from.
That said, it'd be because it'd make my character look completely ridiculous, earrings hidden under a helmet isn't as bad, so just use 'em when it'll benefit your friends and your teammates and remove 'em any other time.
(I wouldn't even wear the subligar then, fuck that stupid fucking armor.) -
10-22-2013, 08:48 AMZoomieSounds like you got carried. Full AF and literally zero accessories equiped?Quote:
Originally Posted by Norack
So you had less than 3000 hp and low dps. Two things that will guarantee death on titan unless there are others to pick up your dead weight. -
10-22-2013, 10:39 AMNorackFC party, everyone was full AF. You can do pretty much anything in this game in full AF as long as you know how to move to the right or the left when a AoE indicator comes up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoomie
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10-22-2013, 10:55 AMiMark521
When he wears the Gallant/Valor Crown (AF/AF1 PLD helm) his character is going to have golden/blue cross earrings. Guess he won't be wearing those either.
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10-22-2013, 11:01 AMZoomiePardon my hesitation to believe this. Not saying its impossible but I find this incredibly unlikely. You're tank had ~4000? And with all AF on EVERYONE you had dps for phase 4 and enough dps in phase 5 to outrun the tumult enrage? By full AF do you mean you had on all 4 pieces of AF and the rest was i60?Quote:
Originally Posted by Norack
Again... I have no reason to doubt you personally, I just think this is unlikely as heck. I could totally be wrong. -
10-23-2013, 12:26 AMKhevn
Suck it up and do the work. Get your Garuda Wep, Get your DL, stop cutting corners, do the work, win.
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10-23-2013, 02:25 AMNorackyep, tank only needs around 4k hp to survive mountain buster, and with brd mp song there is no mana problem so you can take as long as you want to DD him down on P5. P4 heart we just built to 3 lb bars so that was np at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoomie
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10-23-2013, 05:37 AMXbob42This is hilariously untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norack
If you had 4k HP, you could technically survive Mountain Busters until you ran out of cooldowns, and you WILL run out of cooldowns, the only possible way he survived is if he got really lucky with flash every single MB during no-cooldown periods and the MB missed.
Because it's not just the MB, an auto-attack hits at the exact same second, so it's often well OVER 4k damage (Even to me, with 6.5k HP and cooldowns.) when both attacks are combined.
It's only technically possible, even if you had a fresh stoneskin up every single time that wouldn't be enough. -
10-23-2013, 07:31 AMNorackidk, u have 2 healers, the only person u have to ever heal is the tank cause the other people will never take any damage other than stomps. Seems like there would be no MP issues. Hm if only there was someone that has done this before, I mean I have done it before, along with many other ppl. But since you haven't done it before its untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xbob42
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10-23-2013, 03:20 PMZoomieAre you suggesting that you can heal through an endlessly INCREASING number of tumults? You're aware that he stomps more and more each time it happens right? That if you have shite dps he will eventually be stomping 10+ times right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Norack
Far be it from me to call you a liar... but this sounds very suspect. -
10-23-2013, 03:35 PMRapBreonAuto ~1k > Cleave ~1.5-2k > Auto ~1k > MB ~3.5-4.5k > Auto ~1k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norack
If IIRC is the MB rotation on the tank. If one of those attacks crit when you only have 4k HP will see you dead before he even MBs.
Healers would have to literally close their eyes and spam their heals. It would be such a delicate balance that a fly landing on someone's nose would see the house of cards fall down.
Edit: LMFAO at OP not wearing earrings on a male, holy shit that made my day. -
10-23-2013, 04:15 PMKenkaKudos to you (or your tank during that run) if you managed to tank a successful Titan HM run while wearing full AF. I wonder how you (he) managed to consistently survive those Melee > RB > Melee > MB. Even on someone wearing full DL, and that has significantly better defense than AF, that barrage can be up to 6,5k damage during a short time span..Quote:
Originally Posted by Norack
You would have to be extremely lucky or your healers extremely skilled to precast cures/buffs. -
10-24-2013, 02:40 AMNorackyou sir win the internets, how did u know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenka
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10-24-2013, 02:49 AMKryzen
Every "challenging" boss pretty much as a telegraphed rotation and any healer half-paying attention can feed off this. Done right you wont even notice Mountain Buster. There is nothing to be accomplished in Titan as a tank, all the glory really goes to the healer in this battle.