So far, I have not been able to figure out a useful usage for the Tank LB. I even tried to use LB3 against titan AOE after we missd the heart and it had no effect and we all died anyway.
I was wondering if anyone has used Tank LB and find it useful somewhere?
Should we ask for a change?
Limit Break for Tank, is it useful? when and where can I use it? Should SE change it?
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10-21-2013, 04:12 PMLigerLimit Break for Tank, is it useful? when and where can I use it? Should SE change it?
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10-21-2013, 04:18 PMajx
No ingame mechanic is supposed to save you from boss insta-wipe attacks (like titan if u miss the heart) .
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10-21-2013, 04:24 PMWobiIf you get to the point where it could be useful the battle is already over, if you need something like that to survive then clearing the content is not gonna happen with that group. They could add all sorts of buffs to it but people will always opt for a damage LB in any competent group. Maybe a healer LB3 as a last ditch effort. Now it could be possible for SE to add a gimick of some sort of damage attack that will hit the party and no way you can heal through the damage to give a reason to pop the Tank LB so everyone survives. Something like a Giant meteor crashing down on the party or something similarly crazy, but that's the only reason I can think to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liger
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10-21-2013, 04:25 PMFensfield
Well, it does seem to have its moments - honestly I don't mind my current main's limit break being heavily situational; just makes it kinda neat when we do get to use it.
Anyway, the occasions always springs to mind was during a fight with storymode Garuda - yes it's not hardmode but level sync still means a measure of challenge. Anyway after several wipes primarily around the transition where she blows away the stone pillars, we all got frustrated and someone suggested this time around we just try having me (the tank) fire my limit break right before she'd do that huge, unblockable AoE attack (we were averaging about oh.. 3/4's of the pillars intact? Maybe a little less?). Anyway, she hops to the middle, does her little wind-up, I fire the level 2 tank limit break and shield the party.. and lo and behold we come out the other side, our healer patches up the little we took, and we proceed to flatten Garuda with comparative ease thereafter.
So it certainly does have its uses. Same goes for the other limit breaks. Of course the single target damage one will always be the most used since challenging enemies tend to have a thing you want to hit hard at some point, but the others have their moments. I've seen the Healer limit break pull us back from the brink of a wipe where nothing else would have done (admirable healer pulling that off, since the challenge is seeing when it's necessary and being able to react in time), and we just wiped over and over on the Aurum Vale until a black mage joined in and gave us access to Meteor to destroy all those seedlings when things started getting out of control toward the end of the fight with Miser's Mistress. -
10-21-2013, 04:25 PMLigerSure thing!Quote:
Originally Posted by ajx
I mentioned titan as an example where I would want to use a tank LB. It is not why or why not it is not blocking "isnta-wipe"
But what I mean if you compare LB3 for WHW, BLM and melee classes, Tank LB is nothing. was wondering if anyone is using Tank LB? -
10-21-2013, 04:31 PMGilbertLapine
Yeah, the usage situation for tank LB is the same as healer LB imho, but healer LB is far better cuz insta-raise. It's all a bit imba from the tank's perspective I suppose; so, the short answer to your question is "no, you'll never use it."
Maybe if you're in a light party with two bards and no one is on the verge of death. And even then, just maybe. -
10-21-2013, 04:31 PMRyios
My problem with the tank LB is that it is useful. But 99.9% of any scenario where the tank LB would be useful, so would the DPS Monk/Drg Limit to do dps. If you have a level 3 LB and the boss is at 5% and your going down, sure you might pop LB3 Tank LB and live and down it, ORRRR you could just mnk/drg LB it and insta kill it. Insta Killing it with ST LB3 is a better decision (on a risk based assessment) than using Tank LB3. So imo the only time it makes since to use a a Tank LB is when your drg/mnk are dead (or you dont have any) and your blm is dead, and your smn is dead, and the only DPS you have up are BRDS (they don't have a dmg LB). But even in that situation it would be better to LB3 as a healer and rez everyone.
The only real time I've ever seen it be useful is on phase 5 in titan when all your non brds are off the edge. (they can't do dps and they can't be raised). You can Tank LB3 through the tumults in a pinch for the win.
Imo limits should be more like this
Paladin -> LB 1 = Global Rampart, LB2 = Global Rampart and Sentinel, LB3 = Global 12 second hallowed ground
Warrior -> LB 1 = Global Foresight, LB2 = Global Foresight and Thrill of Battle, LB3 = Global ForeSight, Thrill of Battle, and warriors next inner beast is 1 * Party Member Count distributed evenly to group.
Whm -> ???
Sch -> ???
Brd -> LB1 = 25% MP/TP Restore, LB2 = 50% MP/TP Restore, LB3 = 100%MP/TP Restore
Drg -> ST LB
Mnk -> ST LB
Smn -> Summons something bad ass not the mini things, Like maybe LB3 Could be phoenix from FF7 and it does dmg and raises all dead poeople.
Blm -> Fine as is -
10-21-2013, 04:35 PMLigerQuote:
Originally Posted by Fensfield
you are right and thanks for your input. I was questioning the Tank LB compare to others and you say you managed to survive Garuda AOE by using it. That is good to know. I tried it for titan HM and it did not help at all. So I was wondering if we need a LB3 buff for tanks -
10-21-2013, 04:48 PMLigerThis is really deep ^^.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryios
I hope devs would have plans to improve LBs in the future. It would be nice to have varity of LBs like what you explained. -
10-21-2013, 05:17 PMHachikoForesight isn't remotely good enough and neither is thrill of battle. I'm all for class specific limit breaks, but the WAR skills aren't good enough to justify working them into the LB's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryios
IMO they should all be somewhat tailored to the job.
PLD = Global Dmg Reduction
WAR = Global Health Increase and Heal (30-60-90%)
MNK = Single Target Dmg + Party Skill Speed Buff
DRG = Single Target Dmg + All Resistance Debuffs
BLM = Stays as is
SMN = Big Summons
BRD = Support, restores TP / MP, and at level 3 gives unlimited use of both for 10 secs
WHM = Group Heal
SCH = Group Shield
Anyhow that's how I see them adding a little more flavor. -
10-21-2013, 05:20 PMHik0
It's easy to force people to use tank LB, just need a pattern that people can't survive w/o and cant be skipped by rushing.
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10-21-2013, 05:27 PMWind-Krysvein
I've yet to find a use for the tank's Limit Break. I'm not entirely sure what SE was thinking when they made it like this, so I've nothing against it being changed. In fact, I wish they would change it.
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10-21-2013, 08:45 PMXenor
Titan Tumult in a long fight is probably the best usage of it, but even then what happens on Titan's next rotation? He'd have to be killed before that point and as others have said if the mob is that close to death better to pop a damage limit.
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10-21-2013, 08:49 PMGinTamaWhen the dps die I use the tank lb to give us some time to raise the dps and secure us survivingQuote:
Originally Posted by Liger
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10-21-2013, 08:52 PMThotor
Bahamut Turn 4. The only fight so far that can use it.
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10-21-2013, 09:01 PMZakalweMy experience was the same as Fensfield's. So far, storymode Garuda is the only time I've found it useful. Pretty disappointing. Seems to me that more variety in LB options is something SE might think about (and not just for tanks). But even so, dps LB's are always going to find more utility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liger
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10-21-2013, 09:11 PMMartin_Arcainess
The only time I used it is for Gaurda Story mode, besides that, not much else. I mean I think it should have a change.
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10-21-2013, 10:18 PMHamHamThis took too much of an imagination. SE will say that there's no plan to changing LB and therefore we should end any feedback regarding LB. (I call it now).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryios
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10-21-2013, 10:48 PMFAVisceglia
In my limited experience, the only usefulness is to trivialize content by allowing you to circumvent intended mechanics.
For example, the tank LB means you can ignore the pillars in Garuda, story mode. It's obvious the designers wanted players to watch their positioning and not splash the pillars with AoE, and it's fairly obvious that they wanted us to AoE the adds down before they did significant damage to the pillars, but you can pretty much stand anywhere and casually kill the adds, using the tank LB for her ultimate. -
10-21-2013, 11:02 PMArriverderci
Who the hell knows when you ALWAYS have a DPS to use it.
This is why the Limit Break System sucks monkey nuts. No one else can
use their LB because the DPS always have the need to use it, just to be using it.
So if everyone dead, nope, lemme waste LB just because we're going to die.
I wanna use my damn healing break sometimes. D<
They must change the LB system when they have time, as it stands, it's just bad. -
10-21-2013, 11:12 PMAndrien
In rare occasions when the party make up in a 4 man dungeon is Bard, Bard, Healer, Tank.
You might as well use Tank LB just for kicks and giggles, but yeah its really lame. -
10-21-2013, 11:16 PMMiki_Azatori
GLA/PLD with full Odin gear should use Zantetsuken as LB3 lol... yeah I'll keep dreaming~
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10-21-2013, 11:26 PMJackBoosh100% agree with this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hachiko
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10-21-2013, 11:59 PMSterobwell if you can make all pld and war to cry for tank lb like drg and mnk did then it is possible that they will change it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HamHam
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10-22-2013, 12:01 AMBlueMage
The actual honest answer is: No. The tank Limit Break is not ever useful, and no tank should ever even have it on their bar. Stop wasting it.
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10-22-2013, 12:19 AMParodine
The only time I ever found use for it was the story mode Garuda fight. Even saving as many stones as we can, we had a lalafell SMN that died to Aerial Blast 80% of the time due to HP. Now, you can say it was his fault for not having enough, maybe due to gear/level, but rather than take that route, I'd occasionally pop the tank LB to get us over the hill, so to speak. Still, lacking the DD LB certainly made the fight last longer, for sure.
But any other time? No. Wasted. -
10-22-2013, 12:46 AMEvokerKeii
We tend to use it in Coil when the tanks start taking big damage and the healers are running low on mana or there's a lot of other damage to keep up with.
Healer limit break is far worse until they fix the raise animation lock.
Tailoring specific limit breaks to specific classes won't work with a shared limit break bar. Groups will always favor the most powerful ones and pugs will always fight over who gets to use it.