WP vs AK for TOM

Is WP or AK generally more efficient for mythology farming? Don't want to be comparing the extreme cases with speed runs, just in general, cos you hardly run into any exceptional speed runs through DF.

I'd say AK if done right you can pretty much ace it within 20 mins. Plus it gives more.

You can do WP in 10 minutes with good gear, 15 minutes with okay gear.

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My average time in DF for both dungeon are not that much of a difference, definitely not 33% of the boost AK gives over WP in tomes. Plus AK drops gil, so I usually just run AKs and then WPs to tap it off.

WP all day everyday

6 AK + 2 WP = 300 tomestones, no more waste yeah :)

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

You can do WP in 10 minutes with good gear, 15 minutes with okay gear.

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"Okay gear" = DL.
"Good gear" = Allagan/Myth gear.

Four full DL players going balls to wall in WP on everything, no wipes, barely managed 18 minutes (my group).

Show me your party's gear set up when you prove your case, and I'll believe you.

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Originally Posted by Douten

My average time in DF for both dungeon are not that much of a difference, definitely not 33% of the boost AK gives over WP in tomes. Plus AK drops gil, so I usually just run AKs and then WPs to tap it off.

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Both dungeons drop gil, not just AK. WP drops consistently ~10 gil less per mob. But, see, if gil mattered people would kill everything, but people still want to skip trash. It's a compulsive need to rush rush rush.

AK drops better gear that you can use to get started on your other classes. Since most people who run already have good gear and pass on a lot of loot you can gear up very quickly that way.

WP is flat-out more interesting than AK, so it's not so much a question of which is more efficient but... which doesn't bore me to tears. Though I'll toss in an AK every so often if I really feel the grind, I suppose.

Here the actual DF time

AK average time is 40 min
WP average time is 25-30 min

I find that if using DF you'll likely be more successful with smoother runs in Wanderer's Palace. With GOOD groups AK probably wins for efficiency, but relying on DF to make groups could have you sitting at Demon Wall wasting time rather than burning through the dungeon at a reasonable pace. I prefer WP for Duty Finder runs - it just seems to be more PUG friendly and less prone to rage quitters.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

WP is flat-out more interesting than AK, so it's not so much a question of which is more efficient but... which doesn't bore me to tears. Though I'll toss in an AK every so often if I really feel the grind, I suppose.

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I agree. I think AK is incredibly boring and would always rather do WP. I wish there were Hard Modes of some of the earlier dungeons. I'm so tired of AK ugh.

Being a WHM that has barely gotten past the wall in AK twice I prefer WP myself.

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Originally Posted by Pathetic

Here the actual DF time

AK average time is 40 min
WP average time is 25-30 min

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40 min AK sounds right for a group that isn't decked in relics + DL. It's about 30-32 with relic/+1 parties, and I hear it goes even faster if you do the "sac pull" or training methods.

WP - Intended for Fresh 50s. Drops ItemLevel 55 and has Weapons and Shields from Tonberry King's chest (Darklight Weaponry).
AK - Intended for Experienced 50s (with some gear from WP, GC, Ifrit, DL, etc).

Efficiency wise, for every 3 AK you've completed the equivalent of 4 WP in Mythology.
Enjoyment wise, I personally prefer WP (ran it 9 times today, and I was already capped on Mythology).

If you're a fresh lvl50 do some AK normal runs for the gear.

If you're a full AK geared lvl50 you can do rush modes but it could prove hard depending on your class.

If you're a full Darlight geared lvl50 rush WP with a 3 Dps 1 Heal comp.
You pack 2 to 3 mob groups Dps burst them down (best with good geared BLM/BRD/DRG).
I did it like this and was fairly surprised at how fast it is, took us like 15~18 min to finish WP.

But I say go with the dungeon you like the most.

I like AK because of the Demon Wall and WP because of cute tonberys :3

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

You can do WP in 10 minutes with good gear, 15 minutes with okay gear.

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!0min WP? when you could skip mobs it was possible to do it in 8-10min, but now? give me a break lol...15min is the mark you can achieve tho yes.

When it comes to Phylo farming WP wins hands down, if you are farming Myth then it's a close call but i still think WP wins by a small margin in time spent per tomestone.

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Originally Posted by Awake

!0min WP? when you could skip mobs it was possible to do it in 8-10min, but now? give me a break lol...15min is the mark you can achieve tho yes.

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Originally Posted by Sajomir

40 min AK sounds right for a group that isn't decked in relics + DL. It's about 30-32 with relic/+1 parties, and I hear it goes even faster if you do the "sac pull" or training methods.

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he's right, as he's talking about DF
you can't get a group of full relics + DL all the time in DF

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

You can do WP in 10 minutes with good gear, 15 minutes with okay gear.

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10 minutes with the best gear, 20 minutes with full DL, while having 4 people that actually know how to play.

Get your head out of the clouds.

I just did WP in 25 minutes but it might have been how I was pulling :\

dont forget to add the fact that wp is friendly to classes like summoner, while in ak they got a really hard time.

Relic + DL = 15m or lower WP.

Even a regular run will be done in 25m, when compared to a 40m+ run of AK.

WP IS THE BEST DUNGEON IN THE GAME HANDS DOWN FOR EVERY TYPE OF TOME.

WP done yesterday in 35mins with a blm with white items, AF, average ilvl around 45.
The good thing about wp is that the groups below average still finish the dungeon, while those guys would not have gone passed the demon wall in AK.

I just sign up for both, and see which pops first (usually wanderer's). I like a bit of variation, band besides that, I collect the armour sets to go on my mannequins once housing is available ;)

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Originally Posted by Millerna

I just sign up for both, and see which pops first (usually wanderer's). I like a bit of variation, band besides that, I collect the armour sets to go on my mannequins once housing is available ;)

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This, I always sign up for both. Usually q as BRD for first run, then WHM, and then MNK. This keeps everything new and entertaining.

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Originally Posted by chococo

Is WP or AK generally more efficient for mythology farming? Don't want to be comparing the extreme cases with speed runs, just in general, cos you hardly run into any exceptional speed runs through DF.

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For myth, based on my experiences:

If you're using the duty finder: WP
If you're going in a premade: WP

Maybe it's just my opinion, but AK can drop off the face of Eorzea now. That place is dead to me ♥

Wp works the best for me, but I only FC run it with tanks I know and AOE if I can get lucky. If your tank knows what he is doing WP is a easy 15 minutes. If your tank doesnt know what he is doing (pugged a tank last Monday) WP can still be a nightmare. AK has the "better" gear, but if you don't need it WP is the way to go.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Relic + DL = 15m or lower WP.

Even a regular run will be done in 25m, when compared to a 40m+ run of AK.

WP IS THE BEST DUNGEON IN THE GAME HANDS DOWN FOR EVERY TYPE OF TOME.

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40+? What the, how are you running it lol It takes like 30mins flat just running and killing everything. Can be faster as well.