ITT: We Discuss New Classes and Jobs

In this thread, we discuss new classes and jobs. (I love hearing people's ideas)

What new classes can A Realm Reborn offer?
What type of gameplay mechanics do they have?
How does it benefit "the party"?

These are questions I ask myself when thinking of prospective classes for ARR.

The other day while speaking with a few players in Mor Dhona, a person noted that a lot of the unique classes people suggest tend to arrive from Final Fantasy Tactics games. Most just want what Final Fantasy XI had, but in XIV form. Some want the unique skills past characters of Final Fantasy have had.

What are your ideas for new classes for Final Fantasy: A Realm Reborn?

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An example of a new class/job chain I thought of would be Beastmaster's chain.

Beastmaster (class) > Blue Mage (job)/Morpher (job).

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Its been mentioned many many times already...

But Musketeer (Musket..man/lady?) Would branch from Archer ofcourse, and be a pure ranged DPS class.
Its gameplay mechanic, I'm thinking sorta like SWTOR's Sniper, without the lovely shield ofcourse...
But using a rifle, and have to stay stationary for most of his abillities, while still being able to use a few abillities on the move.

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Originally Posted by Kanash

Its been mentioned many many times already...

But Musketeer (Musket..man/lady?) Would branch from Archer ofcourse, and be a pure ranged DPS class.
Its gameplay mechanic, I'm thinking sorta like SWTOR's Sniper, without the lovely shield ofcourse...
But using a rifle, and have to stay stationary for most of his abillities, while still being able to use a few abillities on the move.

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since there is a guild for musketeer in limsa lominsa it will be it's own base class with jobs branching from it. ;)

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Originally Posted by kollwitz

since there's is a guild for musketeer in limsa lominsa it will be it's own base class with jobs branching from it. ;)

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Hmm thats true.
So what could Musketeer be base class for... Hunter, Sniper, Scout, Guard, Ranger, Gunmonger (sp?).
Yeah I'm kind lost there. If Musketeer already is a pure DPS class, then what could it possibly specialize into?

My idea?

Get rid of classes and focus soly on jobs. Then we can never need worry about a class hindering the uniqueness of a job ever again!

Musketeer > Corsair/Gambler?

MRD > Dark Knight(DD)

PGL > Dancer(Healer)

CNJ/THM > Geomancer(DD)

??? > Ninja(DD)/Samurai(Tank)

Dunno what would work better for Geomancer, but possibly CNJ since it'd have something besides a Healer sub. Basically give each of them a choice between one of the two, like SMN/SCH are from ACN.

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Originally Posted by Kanash

Hmm thats true.
So what could Musketeer be base class for... Hunter, Sniper, Scout, Guard, Ranger, Gunmonger (sp?).
Yeah I'm kind lost there. If Musketeer already is a pure DPS class, then what could it possibly specialize into?

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Well.. can spec into
Sniper highly specalized single target high crit dps
Cosair <- like FFXI
Cannoneer AOE based dps with a support cannon rounds like, location AOE hot, debluff, bluffs.
Marine hand weapon + 1 hand pistol. With support with abilites like Mantra, etc, boost crit rate, boost acc, etc. But all are on timers.

Magitek Engineer (Disciple of the Hand).

Yes.

CNJ30/THM15 > Geomancer

Could go something like this: Equipping the soul-stone gives a large boost to INT, since CNJ is a healer job and focuses on MND. A reverse of what happens with ACN and SCH. SE splits the CNJ weapons even more between the one and two-handed variants. WHMs keep the two-handed versions (because Thyrus and all) while GEO uses the one-handed wands, which get reworked to have stats in favor of magical damage dealing. Abilities would be something like:

- Aetherfont: One-minute cooldown, no MP cost, deals damage (160 potency or so), user recovers 30% of max MP upon use. This gives Geomancer a strong MP recovery tool that can work with but is unique from Shroud of Saints (and gained at Lv.30 instead of LV.38).
- Quake: AoE damage and Bind, essentially what Tri-Disaster and Freeze are to SMN and BLM (respectively).
- Blink: Defensive tool similar like Stoneskin, offers a % chance that the next attack directed at the user will be dodged.
- Tornado: AoE damage slightly higher than Shadowflare (it doesn't have the CC of Shadowflare, so it can have more damage).
- Flood: Single target stun and damage (gives GEO a unique mechanic to encourage people to want to bring them along).


Something a friend of mine came up with:

PGL30/ARC15 > Puppetmaster

Pugilist guild is in Ul'dah, which is where the Goldsmithing and Alchemy guilds are. Mammets are made by a joint effort between those two guilds. Puppetmasters fought with hand-to-hand combat in XI, so PGL makes a good base. Mammets could get special "equipment" that increase their appearance (just cosmetic stuff, like the chocobo barding), plus "gear" that give it stat boosts. Lower damage stats than MNK. Abilities would be something like this:

- Activate: Calls out the mammet. Controlled like a ACN/SMN/SCH's summons with about the same number of active abilities.
- Repair: Restores some of the mammet's HP.
- Fists of Lightning: Combat stance that increases Crit Rate.
- Overclock: Increases Mammet's damage by 40% (essentially the same as Rouse).
- Stringing Pummel: Single-target damage attack, deals increased damage with the Mammet out.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

My idea?

Get rid of classes and focus soly on jobs. Then we can never need worry about a class hindering the uniqueness of a job ever again!

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This won't happen as the Armoury System is too much an engrained part of the game (it's even mentioned specifically on the FFXIV website - it's a selling point of the game).

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Yoshi-P actually ask us of this when he first took over FFXIV's reins - whether the Armoury System should be scrapped and a FFIII/V/XI style Job system replace it, or retain it but add Jobs onto the existing classes. 1.0 players voted overwhelmingly to keep the existing system, and hence classes were modified to allow them to fit better in with Jobs that extended from it.

If you don't like it, that's democracy for you - 1.0 players spoke and the current system is the result, even if not everyone agrees with it. You just have to accept it and move on. Really, the class-Job Armoury System is a lot like the system in the original FF, where you have a starting Job and then upgrade to an advanced one halfway through the game. A little perspective is what's needed.

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

Musketeer > Corsair/Gambler?

MRD > Dark Knight(DD)

PGL > Dancer(Healer)

CNJ/THM > Geomancer(DD)

??? > Ninja(DD)/Samurai(Tank)

Dunno what would work better for Geomancer, but possibly CNJ since it'd have something besides a Healer sub. Basically give each of them a choice between one of the two, like SMN/SCH are from ACN.

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I'm seeing Gladiator as more Dark Knight as it uses swords. Conjurer to head into Dancer as it uses staves.

I rather see a 3rd tier of jobs instead of branching out from the 1st tier of jobs.

Lvl 50 WAR + Lvl 30 LNC --> Samurai
Lvl 50 PLD + Lvl 30 THM --> Dark Knight
Lvl 50 BRD + Lvl 30 PUG --> Ranger
Lvl 50 BLM + Lvl 30 ARC --> Red/Blue mage
Lvl 50 MNK + Lvl 30 ARCH --> Thief
Lvl 50 DRG + Lvl 30 ARC --> Beastmaster

and etc. This would put an incentive to you know..actually utilize the multiple jobs.

Here's an idea I had

Fencer (Class) - > Red Mage (Job) Mid-line damage dealer, focuses on combining magic and swordplay into one, likely has some elemental buff spells?
Or
Fencer (Class) - > Blue mage (Job) Also Mid-line damage dealer, job abilities likely would have some variants based on your completion of the hunting log?

Fencer itself could be a class focusing on being able to hit the enemy rapidly though for less amounts of damage. Weapon of choice would be rapiers, sabers, and other various dueling blades. Likely unable to use shields, or possibly just light bucklers like how CNJ and THM plus WMG and BLM do. I see it having some decent parry and dodge rates, but possibly less VIT to balance that out for a Damage focused class?

Dark knight and dark knight only

I'll repeat some of the stuff I've written about before:

Fencer: Red Mage (DPS), Mystic Knight (tank)
Musketeer: Gunner (DPS), Chemist (healer)
Rogue/Scout: Thief (DPS), Ninja (DPS)
Astrologist: Time Mage (DPS), Green Mage (healer)

On Beastmaster:

I don't see it working as a class. It really doesn't give room for branching. Not to mention that I'm sure BST fans would be mad about their job of ages past being a class that'll get obsoleted out when job crystals enter the picture.

Off the top of my head, a Barbarian class would probably work better.

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Barbarian: The northern wilderlands boast of many great dangers, and braving these from day to day is an isolated tribe of savages. Confirmed to being outside of the influence of The Twelve, these nomads honor animal totems that give their warriors strength and their leaders wisdom in times of need. Those accepted into their fold are eventually taught the secrets of drawing power from totems.

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Basing barbarian off totems (maybe 5 totems in total at 50) and having them focus on one-handed or even dual axes would then give room for the following:

Beastmaster: Focus on combat with a pet joining in, with the five totems being replaced with slots for five pets of your choice (lore you could say is that forsaking the buffs of the totems, a Beastmaster instead does a spiritbond thing with an animal to get its help).

Feral Youth (can't think of a good name): Enhanced animal totems with additional bonuses, lore explanation being that in addition to taking on a blessing from the animal totems the Feral Youth also takes on aspects of the animal they were blessed by.

[class] - Swordman, Two hand sword.
particularity: use a personal version of the skill chain from FF11. you will chain skill freely, without combo, but if you chain them in the right order, some weaponskill can come out of the chain. example: Vertical slash>horizontal slash= Cross slash

[jobs] - Samurai
him particularity it's to allows him to make longuer chain

- Dark Knight
will gain acces to some dark spell, if you use them with the skill chain, you will get spell attack, that will cripples the enemy.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

This won't happen as the Armoury System is too much an engrained part of the game.

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What is it "Engrained" into because classes are utterly useless once you unlock your first job, the stat boost is too good to ignore for the paltry cross class skills you get (And if the live letter is to be taken seriously they sound like they want to make more class skills accessable even with jobs)
The only thing they would need to do is start the current jobs out in their respective guild "Marauders, Pugalist" hell the storylines for the classes STOP as soon as you unlock a job as well, SE has done a good job at defeating the purpose of classes allready themselves it would take a few minor tweaks to make it work and only have a single set of jobs share the same storyline to a point (Summoner, Scholar) as they also branch off storywise.

The class system does nothing but hamper the game and is pointless in the game they have created it was next to useless in 1.0 asides a few situations where the best of the best found a use for them for cross class abillities, even those players now see no point in the class system.It does nothing but hamstring giving the jobs themselves a unique flavor, a Scholar and Summoner share too many abillities in common from their class origin making them feel very samey even if they play very different rolls within a party they still have 3/4's the same abillities.

On the point of 1.0 democracy...they haven't shown us they are very likely to cling to anything 1.0 players enjoy as they consistantly change systems that people enjoyed from 1.0 why would the class system be any different?

As much as you want to say it's "Engrained" into the game asides the few storylines and mentions on the games website both are easy to ammend, the "Class" system is not a "Selling point" the "Armory" system is, that the class system is just a small part of.

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Originally Posted by Kanash

But Musketeer would branch from Archer ofcourse

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Yeah, this makes no sense whatsoever. Not only do the archers' guild and potential musketeers' guild not have anything in common that would lead to a natural lore transition, firing a musket is very little like shooting a bow. Someone who's mastered the skill for one is likely to do well at the other (i.e. they're both definitely dexterity-type jobs), but aside from a basic level of hand-eye coordination the disciplines of gunnery and archery are quite different in their mechanics.

Luckily, unless I'm mistaken the "mentioned many many times" reference is to player speculation, and not any official statement. It would be rather disappointing if SE decided to needlessly lump together dissimilar jobs because they both happen to be non-caster ranged dps. If that were the plan, it would have made much more sense for all job types to share a base class (i.e. replacing ARC, CNJ, and THM with a generic "mage" that would branch into a job, MRD and GLD with a generic "fighter," etc.).

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Originally Posted by Kanash

Hmm thats true.
So what could Musketeer be base class for... Hunter, Sniper, Scout, Guard, Ranger, Gunmonger (sp?).
Yeah I'm kind lost there. If Musketeer already is a pure DPS class, then what could it possibly specialize into?

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Machinist (dps) & Chemist (heal)

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Originally Posted by Jynx

My idea?

Get rid of classes and focus soly on jobs. Then we can never need worry about a class hindering the uniqueness of a job ever again!

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This on so many levels.

Banking on the Musketeers becoming playable.

I would like to add i don't want to see Samurai added as the standard Japanese immersion breaking "From an Eastern culture no where near Eorzea" that has become cliche as all hell.

Rename it something like Soldier and make its theme based off this baddass right here.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../Auron_Art.png

@atamis: you seems to forget the world have 3 continent, eorzea is not the whole world, and some asian style culture seems to exist, then... who know.

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Originally Posted by GilbertLapine

Yeah, this makes no sense whatsoever. Not only do the archers' guild and potential musketeers' guild not have anything in common that would lead to a natural lore transition, firing a musket is very little like shooting a bow. Someone who's mastered the skill for one is likely to do well at the other (i.e. they're both definitely dexterity-type jobs), but aside from a basic level of hand-eye coordination the disciplines of gunnery and archery are quite different in their mechanics.

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LOL, lighten up pal. You used all this just to bash that little sentence? really?
And if you actually read a tiny bit further down, you would see, that a poster had kindly reminded me about the Musketeer guild in LL, so it wouldent be able to branch of Archer anyway.

Next time, dont go all Mr.Angry Wiki expert on people, just for that little thing.
A simple:

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Originally Posted by kollwitz

since there is a guild for musketeer in limsa lominsa it will be it's own base class with jobs branching from it. ;)

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Thats all it takes to make someone realise he made a mistake, in a friendly way.