Hey,
So I recently started a sub-class as conjurer and have been leveling it up, currently at level 16. I have a few questions and I need some advice because at the moment I'm struggling to make progress with the class. If anyone could answer any of the following, it would be a great help to me.
I noticed around wiki's etc that at level 15 the Conjurer class has access to the 'Fluid Aura' ability, however it's not in my list of abilities at all? -Anyone know anything about this?
Is there a way to allow the Conjurer class to have access to more offensive spells? At the moment the Conjurer class is a great support class, but that's not useful all the time, sometimes I need to pack a punch. I currently have the 'Stone' and 'Aero' abilities, which are ok and with 'Cleric Stance' can hurt, but is there only two spells for this class that can actually deal damage? Is there not abilities I can draw from other classes?
I'm trying to level up my Conjurer to 30 for the 'White Mage' job, however at 16 it's taking a while to get up. I've completed the Rank 1 & 2 hunting logs, and since I don't have access to 3 and am not a high enough level to continue with the story, I find myself in a position where I'm stuck for leveling. I tried fates but regardless of my efforts I never seem to get more than about 1'500 XP, which honestly isn't a lot. Any advice on this?
Does the Conjurer class gain a XP bonus for healing other players during battle, or alike other classes is it based on the damage you do during fates etc.?
If anyone has any advice on using the Conjurer class and making it the most effective, maybe even some suggestions on gear etc, it would be a huge help. I'm having a tough time with it but want to ride it out since I feel a support class would be in my parties favour.
Thanks for reading this, apologies if it's a bit long but I really do appreciate all the help I receive. Many thanks!
TuriousHD
Conjurer class help?
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10-20-2013, 12:14 AMTuriousHDConjurer class help?
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10-20-2013, 12:32 AMKittenJitsu
There are ways to help your conj damage. Level a therm to 6 and cross over thunder. It is a extra dot you can use alongside your aero DoT.
The ability Fluid Aura is probably your class quest skill you obtain by doing your class quest at lv 15 or 20. I can't remember which level gives you your ability. I think its 15. Anyway do your class quests and you will unlock the "hidden" ability you can't see in your action list.
DO ALL THE FATES YOU SEE! I cannot stress this enough for anybody leveling and running out of quests. Specially solo healers. You actually don't need to be in a group to do well. All you need to do is spam heal people around you even if they are at full health. Just make sure you heal people who have agro (being hit by mobs). Fate rewards are determined by threat level, so more agro you have the better score you get. So go. GO! Go my healer friend and heal your butt off! -
10-20-2013, 12:43 AMTuriousHDAhaha, well that answered a few of my questions so many thanks! I'll go do your suggestions now and hopefully it'll pay off. That last comment made me chuckle a lil' too. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KittenJitsu
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10-20-2013, 12:47 AMKittenJitsuAt least someone appreciates my humor. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TuriousHD
A little side note: It is much easier to get gold in a group. You literally don't have to do anything but hit a mob once in a fate or heal someone and you will get gold. A player in your group has to obtain gold themselves for you to get gold too. -
10-20-2013, 01:04 AMTuriousHDOh? Does this apply only to fates, or is the same true for dungeons etc.?Quote:
Originally Posted by KittenJitsu
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10-20-2013, 01:16 AMMerryl
I was going to stop after raise cast since my characters main is going to be monk.
But yah its like said you have to finish the level 15 guild quest. Don't trust that guild leve a.I. at hawthorne hut sometimes she let's you take quests you can't collect for 3 levels lol -
10-20-2013, 01:47 AMCrisGer
Ya that one at Hawthonre Hut is not to be trusted lol. I think she has an evil sense of humour. Good luck the Fluid spell is s good one very useful as it gives you time to do heals etc as it throws even big enemies away from you.
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10-20-2013, 05:31 AMKityaAs others mentioned, this is a class quest ability. Just stop by the Conjurer Guild in Gridania and the Guildmaster will have the quest for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuriousHD
As a WHM it looks like I'm able to pick up Thunder (A DoT) from THM and Ruin (similar to stone but weaker) as offensive spells from my level 18 THM and 25 ACN. So, nothing impressive. Fluid aura does damage with its knockback and you get a second DoT as you level. But, as CNJ/WHM is intended to be a straight healing class you won't be getting much in terms of damaging abilities because they're mostly there to give you a way to level outside of groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuriousHD
Queue for dungeons, while in the queue do Fates. Someone already explained how to get more experience from fates but I'd like to add... put your DoT up on everything you possibly can in the fates that are just a bunch of monsters and try your best to tag them as they first spawn so you can get first tag. It'll help your chances with getting gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuriousHD
If they're in your group, yeah. You also get credit towards higher medals in Fates just for healing random people but you won't get exp from the actual monsters killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuriousHD
Turn your patience levels waaaaay up. We're often the first ones that are looked to for blame when a group dies to something. Just have to keep your cool and explain exactly what happened, and if they don't like it... ignore them. You're going to get a lot of aggro on trash mobs, especially if your tank is a paladin because they don't have the best in terms of aoe threat. At lower levels it's not a big deal because you can usually take the hits easily on your own but as things get higher it gets more painful. At level 26 you'll get your sleep spell. Sometimes the tanks will mark for you to CC, that's awesome. Sometimes they won't, that's fine too but make sure you sleep anything that decides to attack you. If your spell casts are getting interrupted pretty badly while you're trying to sleep use Fluid Aura to knock them back then follow up with a sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuriousHD
Another thing is mana management. It's pretty easy at your level but will get steadily harder to keep from ooming when you're stressed until level 38 when you get your first regen spell. My suggestion is to pay attention to the mana costs of your spells and weigh the price of using them vs higher mana cost spells. Like... is it more worh using a few cures to get people up or just casting one medica (this depends on how many people you're able to hit with the medica and what people's health is). It takes a little getting used to at first but after a while it gets pretty easy to do quickly.[/QUOTE] -
10-20-2013, 07:28 AMTuriousHD
I hear a lot of people mentioning DoT, what is it? I'm not familiar with the 'slang' used in this game aha.
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10-20-2013, 07:53 AMKityaIt stands for damage over time. It's an ability like Aero that deals damage in small increments instead of immediate damage like stone. There's also HoT which stands for healing over time, same thing but with healing. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TuriousHD
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10-20-2013, 07:57 AMTuriousHD
Oh, I see. Well, one last question I suppose I have is if there's any abilities I can draw from other classes that might help with the Conjurer class? For example DoT abilities?
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10-20-2013, 08:07 AMBrutallyn
someone alrdy told you, level a thaumathurg to lvl 6, you'l lget thunder then, another dot, which you can use on the conjurer.
Other then that, no there are no other damage spells to get crossclass wise, at least, not useful.
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10-20-2013, 08:10 AMKityaThunder from THM (level 6) is the only DoT ability you can pull as a WHM.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuriousHD
I'd say the abilities that look most useful to have are;
Eye for an Eye (ACN level 34), 20% chance that when barrier is struck, the striker will deal 10% less damage for 20 seconds.
Surecast (THM level 8), Next spell is cast without interruption.
Swiftcast (THM level 26), Next spell is cast immediately. This is probably the most useful.
The rest of the available spells are pretty meh. You get a wider variety of spells to choose from before you become a WHM but as that's only up to level 30 it's not really something to level other classes for. -
10-20-2013, 08:11 AMTuriousHD
Thanks! :D
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10-20-2013, 09:08 AMNiadissa
And of course, once you get the 45 Job quest done as a WHM you get holy (large Area of Effect damage and stun) uses a ton of MP though lol but it has its uses.
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10-20-2013, 10:01 AMUrthdigger
So, I'd like to address how to deal damage as a Conjurer. True, we lack a large variety of damage spells, but the truth is you don't need them. First things first, DoT spells are your friends, due to how efficient they are.
Going off the numbers, Aero does 50 potency in direct damage, plus 25 potency per tic for 18 seconds. Each tic is 3 seconds long, so the DoT effect hits 6 times. This means a total of 200 potency, albeit over 18 seconds.
Stone deals 140 potency in direct damage. There's no DoT, though it does inflict Heavy which is useful for kiting situations.
In addition, Thunder deals 30 potency in direct damage, then 40 per tic for 12 seconds, a grand total of 150 potency.
MP is a little harder to work with, as your level is a factor in the cost, but stone is just slightly cheaper than Aero... but not by much. As you can see, Aero does roughly 4/3 more damage, but only if the buff runs its full duration. So, the idea is to apply Aero (and thunder if you have it) whenever it wears off, and otherwise pelt the monster with Stone. One very important piece of advice though, concerning Cleric's stance (and another reason why DoTs rule): When you inflict a DoT, the recurring damage is based on your stats at the time that you applied it. This means you can use Cleric's Stance, cast Aero, then remove it and go back to healing, and the damage for those full 18 seconds will act as if you had Cleric's Stance up the whole time. This also works with the Raging Strikes ability from Archer, and potions of mind (which convert to intelligence while cleric's stance is up). Simply put, DoT spells do the most damage for the amount of time spent casting them, and once you get into dungeon parties you'll find you often only have a few seconds of free time to throw out a few spells between heals, so make them count! Also, once you get Regen and Medica II, the same rules apply: You can pop Divine Seal or use a Potion of Mind to beef up your healing before throwing those up. -
10-20-2013, 11:05 AMTuriousHD
With DoT spells, if I were to cast Areo, then cast it a second time before the 18 seconds were up, would the effects lap or repeat?
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10-20-2013, 11:28 AMUrthdigger
It would refresh the duration back up to 18 seconds, EXCEPT if the previous cast was more potent. For example, if you cast Aero with Cleric's Stance up, and then 5 seconds later cast Aero without Cleric's Stance, Aero will only inflict the 50 potency direct damage, and will NOT inflict the DoT.
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10-20-2013, 11:37 AMEnkidoh
CNJ also can use ACN's Runic right off the bat, due to Runic being ACN's level 1 spell - it's effectively the ACN equivalent of Stone. And as ACN is one of the two classes WHM can cross-class, it can use it as well. CNJ and WHM can also use Physick, but that is identical to Cure in every way, so it's basically the same as equipping Cure twice, and not worth the ability slot.
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10-20-2013, 03:33 PMUrthdigger
Unfortunately, Ruin is exactly like Stone in every way, EXCEPT it's half as strong. There is no reason to ever use it as a conjurer :/
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10-20-2013, 03:42 PMElysaine
My Whitemage is currently level 35. And I have Virus cross classed from Arcanist. And from Thaumaturge I have cross classed Thunder and Surecast.
Still have to level up my Arcanist and Thaumaturge (23 and 16 atm) to unlock Swiftcast and one other ability I can use. Probably Eye for an Eye.
Virus might not be the best skill to cross class. But it is useful against enemies who use physical damage. Because it lowers their strength and dexterity when virus is active. So they deal less damage :)
Thunder is a good DoT to have. I always cast it first on a mob, before I cast Aero. Thunder takes something like 2,5 seconds to go off, while Aero is an instant cast spell.
Surecast is a godsend at times. When enemies hit you. You'll get interrupted easily. When you activate Surecast, your next spell can't be interrupted. Very useful if you need to get that next heal off while being hammered by the enemy. Not that you want that to happen, but occasionally it will. I reckon Swiftcast is even better, making the next cast go off instantly. Very useful once you unlock the trait to make your Raise spell usable while in combat. I believe that's level 28 :) Instead of having to pray to the Gods that during the 8 seconds it takes to resurrect someone, no one else dies or takes heavy damage. You'll be able to ressurect someone instantly. I really don't like the Thaumaturge class, but I need to get that class up 10 more levels to 26 to get that awesome spell. -
10-20-2013, 04:05 PMKityaVirus is certainly a usable ability but not one that I've found the need for just yet. Of course, since we can transfer five spells and two of the seven spells we can transfer are 100% useless (ruin and physick) there's no point in not getting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elysaine
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10-20-2013, 06:16 PMEstellios
Virus is useful if you fight enemies that telegraph their big hits or otherwise have a set rotation of moves they use. It's very useful in the Titan fight for reducing the damage to your tank from Mountain Buster as 10% off a 4k hit is a significant difference.
Surecast has started to become more useful in endgame now that there are bosses that have unavoidable AOE that can interrupt your casting.
Swiftcast is absolutely amazing and you should pretty much go straight for it ASAP. Being able to cast a Medica while running or instantly Raise someone is invaluable.
Thunder is kinda useless once you get Stone II, honestly. Why cast a DoT that equates to 150 potency when you can just cast a spell that does 170 up front? Aero and Aero II are great though, their resulting potency is much higher than Thunder's. -
10-20-2013, 06:38 PMKityaI assume that mana is a bit easier on Titan HM, then? Because on Titan Storymode I could not hold on to my mana by the last phase unless everyone avoided every thing. And that never happened.Quote:
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I'm only at Hydra currently so I've not quite worked my way there. -
10-20-2013, 08:26 PMConradusFluid Aura is granted by the level 15 CNJ quest. Go back to the Conjurer's Guild and do the quest and you'll have the ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuriousHD
You can pick up spells from other classes, but most offensive spells aren't sharable. If you level THM to 6, you can have Thunder; if you unlock ACN, you can have Ruin, but neither of these will do a lot for you. At 22 you'll get Stone II, which is your mainstay offensive spell. You should find offense much easier after you get it.
As far as levelling is concerned, I would suggest being more offensive-oriented in FATEs. You have Stone and Aero, use them. Join FATE parties so you can heal effectively. Do your sidequests. Do levequests.
You should get credit in FATEs for your healing. This is easier if you are in a party, as I said.