MRD - a DPS?

Wondering if anyone else has played around with MRD as a DPS role.
Our MRDs, properly geared, are always on top in DPS on Titan by such a large margin.
Anyone else noticed MRD yet?

EDIT: I'm talking about MRDs doing twice as much DMG as relic+1 DRGS on titan, decked out in Allagan gear, using a Titan's axe.

how are you calculating his damage? enmity? maybe MRD attacks have enmity bonus in them.

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Originally Posted by glim

how are you calculating his damage? enmity? maybe MRD attacks have enmity bonus in them.

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Using a parser and Parses.

I can possibly see this due to the high potency of their attacks, and popping defiance only when you have unchained up.


Also a healer to cleanse your pacification after Berserk.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

I can possibly see this due to the high potency of their attacks, and popping defiance only when you have unchained up.


Also a healer to cleanse your pacification after Berserk.

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MRD dude, not WAR.
MRD doesn't get defiance. But they do get all the best DPS job abilities from Lancer & Archer combined with their native ones.

They also sit on a lot of str, a lot of HP.

I think WAR is also really underrated as a DPS, but MRD is on an entire different level from all other DPS, including SMN/BRD/MNK.

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Originally Posted by Royze

MRD dude, not WAR.
MRD doesn't get defiance. But they do get all the best DPS job abilities from Lancer & Archer combined with their native ones.

They also sit on a lot of str, a lot of HP.

I think WAR is also really underrated as a DPS, but MRD is on an entire different level from all other DPS, including SMN/BRD/MNK.

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If MRD is doing that much damage, WAR would do more due to access of Relic+1, higher base STR, and Unchained+Defiance, and AF2(helm would be BiS for DPS).

The damage CDs aren't as much of a total DPS increase as you think they are.

If you had Allagan Axe, I could see it. Maybe. Not with a Titan vs. Relic+1.





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Originally Posted by Shuon

do you mean using unchained, then build wraths to take afvantage of the crit bonus? i dont see much benefits frm using defiance if we r not tanking.

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Defiance->Infuriate+Unchained->Build Wrath->Pop Inner beast at end of unchained timer->Take off defiance

Or does Defiance take up a GCD?

You may wish to include gear and parse info with screens. Maybe a target dummy test as well. Could be interesting but proof is usually required to backup claims like that. IT be kinda bonkers if a titan axe/darklight MRD is really out doing a DRG with relic+1 and full Allagan gear. A full set of ilvl90 should be destroying over darklight.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

If MRD is doing that much damage, WAR would do more due to access of Relic+1, higher base STR, and Unchained+Defiance

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do you mean using unchained, then build wraths to take afvantage of the crit bonus? i dont see much benefits frm using defiance if we r not tanking.

Stacking berserk, Raging strikes, Blood for blood, and internal release prolly creates a crap ton of burst but idk if the DPS would be there other wise. Not to mention you'd prolly pull aggro everytime you do burst since you have to spam your BB chain. On the plus side, u get more defensive CDs...i think

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Originally Posted by Royze

EDIT: I'm talking about MRDs doing twice as much DMG as relic+1 DRGS on titan, decked out in Allagan gear, using a Titan's axe.

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That won't happen, but MRD does respectable DPS against comparably-equipped dedicated DPS job. DRG has 42 more base strength than MRD, which alone is 8-10% more DPS. It then has more potency on everything, plus more off-GCD attacks. To put the off-GCD in context, MRD has 1.67 potency per second in off-GCD abilities while DRG has 15.89. In total, DRG is going to roll 25% more DPS pretty easily before abilities are taken into account. WAR just gets better burst ability, with Raging Strikes + Berserk + Blood for Blood putting up about 101.6% damage boost over 20s and 68% boost over another 20s period per 180s.Time-weighted, these bursts are about 19% DPS boost. DRG's use of Blood for Blood only will put up around a 7.5% damage boost. Now, you could just look at the strength difference here and realize that it alone accounts for the greater burst ability of MRD -- 1.075*1.1=1.1825. The greater potency is where DRG will extend a lead with identical equipment, but it's not a large one. The thing that kills MRD as a DPS is the lack of appropriate equipment.

+ you cant even go all out cuz you are mostly forced to SA spam, you can only use few BBs in the whole run to not get aggro. atm im full str war doing titan on DF (its better than holding the group back with full vit) and i cant use BB that much.

I have used MRD combined with ARC abilities sporting shit gear/level 70 axe and my damage was pretty good. I was pulling 900 crit storm eye (and they do happen often considering you keep straight shots buff on). I'v pugged a titan party and they were pretty amazed with the results. This all has been done in one day


TLDR; More people should go crazy on MRD theory crafting because MRD is OP.

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Originally Posted by Royze

Wondering if anyone else has played around with MRD as a DPS role.
Our MRDs, properly geared, are always on top in DPS on Titan by such a large margin.

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That's because you're always wiping early in the fight / right after the MRD blows a second set of cooldowns, and/or your DPS classes are pretty terrible players.

Edit: Considering your claim is "2x" the DPS of an R+1 DPS class, the player is horrible and probably afk.

Sidenote: I'd like to see a parse of a full Titan where a MRD pulls 400 DPS. Thanks.

MRD burst is pretty high, sustained is decent, but the main limiting factor is Emnity on some of the harder hitting abilities. Overall Pure dps classes will still beat out a MRD.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

That's because you're always wiping early in the fight / right after the MRD blows a second set of cooldowns, and/or your DPS classes are pretty terrible players.

Edit: Considering your claim is "2x" the DPS of an R+1 DPS class, the player is horrible and probably afk.

Sidenote: I'd like to see a parse of a full Titan where a MRD pulls 400 DPS. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

That's because you're always wiping early in the fight / right after the MRD blows a second set of cooldowns, and/or your DPS classes are pretty terrible players.

Edit: Considering your claim is "2x" the DPS of an R+1 DPS class, the player is horrible and probably afk.

Sidenote: I'd like to see a parse of a full Titan where a MRD pulls 400 DPS. Thanks.

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I would kill for a working combat log and something like WorldofLogs/StateOfDPS here. Would end so many threads so quickly...

The only way MRD is doing more than a DRG with that kinda gear is if the DRG is really bad. Certainly wouldn't do more than a monk, black mage or summoner.

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Originally Posted by PessimiStick

I would kill for a working combat log and something like WorldofLogs/StateOfDPS here. Would end so many threads so quickly...

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WTB ACT plugin for FF14. That's like the first thing I checked when I started playing. QQ.

Man I feel spoiled by that program with Rift.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

WTB ACT plugin for FF14. That's like the first thing I checked when I started playing. QQ.

Man I feel spoiled by that program with Rift.

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While we're wishing for stuff, I'll take a working combat log, and WoW's addon API. That would solve almost every problem I have with the game. =D

Something like this would make me very happy: http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/
Seeing the huge swings on patches is pretty interesting too.