Vanya or DL? Which is better?

Curious because I have heard both sides of the story. I look on xivdb and it clearly shows DL is better, but anyone I talk to says Vanya is. Is it just cause you can meld materia into it?

I think conventional wisdom is that Vanya is better provided that it is HQ'd and max-tier materia are set.

Yes, (HQ) Vanya is better "just" because you can put materia in it, wildly increasing its stats. The big winner here? People selling materia. Why? Because pretty soon HQ vanya robes will be 20k gil because who's got time to design an economy that makes any sense.

So from the looks of it Vanya is better but will cost you alot. So to me I would go with DL then due to the fact I dont have to pay for all the mats and then pay someone to craft it for me if I couldnt do it myself.

Vanya beats DL easily. Of course you HQ it, why would you spend 250k+ on mats to craft it to make it equivalent to vendor trash quality?

Vanya HQ and penta-melded can even beat AF2 (it doesn't give the same stats), and it gives a better feeling of accomplishment if you did it yourself, given you participate in it (the melding). Compared to just buying the AF2 piece and being done, over, finished.

Vanya HQ robe can get +27 crit (3x Materia IV). Argute Gown (Scholar AF2) gets +24 crit.

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Because pretty soon HQ vanya robes will be 20k gil because who's got time to design an economy that makes any sense.

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If HQ Vanya Robe is 20k it means that tome items are worth less than 2k gil each, probably 1k gil. Which is 25-30x less than now.

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

The big winner here? People selling materia. Why? Because pretty soon HQ vanya robes will be 20k gil because who's got time to design an economy that makes any sense.

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20k is about the most I'd pay for an HQ Vanya robe considering I can't sell it back when I get AF+1 or Allagan.

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Originally Posted by Quasihemdem

Curious because I have heard both sides of the story. I look on xivdb and it clearly shows DL is better, but anyone I talk to says Vanya is. Is it just cause you can meld materia into it?

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HQ Vanya has equivalent stats to Darklight gear, HOWEVER you can max a 3rd stat which makes it better (higher stat allocations hueh)

Vanya HQ, it looks better xD Damn that cowl is ugly, and more so overused. Anyway, you need to meld it for it to be better tho, and materia is expensive for regular people :(

Also... AF2 looks like normal AF? :P NOOB QUESTION :D

Darklight may not be better in stats, but it's better based on availability.

Anyone can save up the Philosophy Tomestones needed to buy the DL gear with enough time and patience put into running dungeons. Not everyone can afford the HQ, penta-melded Vanya gear that, last I checked on Hyperion, started at 200k and skyrocketed from there.

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Originally Posted by Nahara

Darklight may not be better in stats, but it's better based on availability.

Anyone can save up the Philosophy Tomestones needed to buy the DL gear with enough time and patience put into running dungeons. Not everyone can afford the HQ, penta-melded Vanya gear that, last I checked on Hyperion, started at 200k and skyrocketed from there.

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This. If you can't take the time to buy or make it. Just get yourself some darklight/Ak gear. Though I'll admit I'd totally drop my DL for vanya... Cowl=DO NOT WANT.. This topic just makes me feel gitty as I really wanna make it myself but with the damned errors going on I can't even instance or craft.

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Originally Posted by NeruMew

Also... AF2 looks like normal AF? :P NOOB QUESTION :D

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No, it's slightly different.

Depends on the piece, but it's generally something like different color, an extra pattern or symbol, etc.

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Originally Posted by NeruMew

Also... AF2 looks like normal AF? :P NOOB QUESTION :D

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Im not sure what they were thinking, but yes, at least the parts of BLM AF2 that i have seen and my wife has gotten are the SAME MODEL as AF1... not even a color palette swap. Other AF2 is indeed a different design/color palette.

For purely aesthetic reasons, its vanya because you can dye it. My robe of casting is currently pink for breast cancer awareness month. Towards the end of the month it will be orange for halloween! :D

Vanya is better because it doesn't look like crap and I believe you can dye it.

Also it comes with a hat.

After dl/vanya, what is rest of the steps for gear?

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Originally Posted by Quasihemdem

After dl/vanya, what is rest of the steps for gear?

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Allagan / AF+1.

How do I aquire those. Do they drop in instance or do I buy w tomes

You lose Def and MDef if you use Vanya, right? How importat is that while taking hits?

Also, I'm looking at the HQ Version of Robe + Hat vs DL Cowl and seems that you would be 13 points behind on mind (and maxed out). Doesn't this affect your heals in a bad way?
I'm curious to see a set of Vanya HQ + Materia vs DL...if anyone has one to share >_>

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Originally Posted by Quasihemdem

How do I aquire those. Do they drop in instance or do I buy w tomes

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AF+1 uses mythology tomes, Allagan drops on the Binding Coil of Bahamut

Myth tomes?

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Originally Posted by Nahara

Darklight may not be better in stats, but it's better based on availability.

Anyone can save up the Philosophy Tomestones needed to buy the DL gear with enough time and patience put into running dungeons. Not everyone can afford the HQ, penta-melded Vanya gear that, last I checked on Hyperion, started at 200k and skyrocketed from there.

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That's why you get full DL gear on your first char, then eventually make the money to afford crafted, in whatever way you can (I don't care how as long as it's not RMT). And can craft (or buy crafted) for other classes later on, on top. I intend to get crafted for Scholar even as I'll have DL for Scholar.

Vanya is better.

Make sure its HQ and Melded

The question really is whether its worth your time and money to acquire Vanya? Personally, I don't see it considering I do fine with DL, and quite content having to do Coil to acquire Allagan gear or acquiring the myth stones for AF+!. But if I was to be offered Vanya for free, then sure. But me to blow over 200k for it? Why? xD

With perfect lvl IV x5 material melds on Vanya gear, it's obviously better.

However, that Vanya junk costs a metric ton of gil. Last time I logged in a checked, there was a single healer earring up for 900k gil + 150k (or more) gil per material + tip...ouch. I much prefer 'free' to something that requires a visit to mr. gil farmer. Maybe it's just me.

Right now, I am thinking of working towards hat and robe but then again by time I can get enough gil to afford it...perhaps Crystal Keep gear will be close to what I need and not look like the hobo gear called DL.

That is exactly how I feel after reading all this. I dont think I want to spend my gil on gear that is not really going to help me in the next stage. I mean it will but not for what I got to pay for it. Especially when coil drops better gear.

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Originally Posted by sasakusaku

With perfect lvl IV x5 material melds on Vanya gear, it's obviously better.

However, that Vanya junk costs a metric ton of gil. Last time I logged in a checked, there was a single healer earring up for 900k gil + 150k (or more) gil per material + tip...ouch. I much prefer 'free' to something that requires a visit to mr. gil farmer. Maybe it's just me.

Right now, I am thinking of working towards hat and robe but then again by time I can get enough gil to afford it...perhaps Crystal Keep gear will be close to what I need and not look like the hobo gear called DL.

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Get 17000 Philosophy tomes. You'll have the 63 Potash needed for Vanya and the 72 Peacock Ores needed for Astral/Rose Gold. The remaining items are nothing compared to this.

Don`t change it. It throws of the balance.

vanya is better when hq and melded without question.

the question is it worth the time and effort to get the set or not. to me it is which is why i now have 3 pieces melded out of the set and working towards getting more. it's just a ton of runs dealing with df.

How much tomes does each coil drop?

Far as I'm aware they drop 50 Mythology tomes.

Why should I waste my money for something that need to be replaced by AF2/Allagan sets?

make no sense.

HQ Vanya has the same exact stats of DL. The site doesn't show HQ stats for crafted items. Japanese players if you get 5 lvl 4 melds on your crafted gear have proven its even better then Allagan, but that costs a shiet ton especially since the last meld is only 6% success.

Getting AF2/Allagan isn't exactly quick. It's 2-3 weeks per piece of AF2 then relying on luck for Allagan.

If you have money to burn then sure, get some HQ crafted gear. However all endgame is easily doable in darklight (Twintania doesn't count) so if you want to save money just stick with that, you'll be fine.

The cowls aren't as bad as people make out. It's just annoying when an Allagan body or head piece drops and you have to use AK gear or something in the other slot until you can afford something to replace it, and we all know AK gear looks hideous. In these cases I would strongly consider using HQ Vanya as a filler piece.

wish you could visor off cowls.. they could keep it head slot if they were worried about breaking stats, but I would want to wear it more if I could put the hood down

They need to stop putting cowls in the game. You spend all that time making a character you like the look of and then you can't even see it.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

They need to stop putting cowls in the game. You spend all that time making a character you like the look of and then you can't even see it.

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I agree to the notion that we should be able to use visor with cowls. They don't fit me at all I'm an outgoing healer not an evil mastermind in the making ( or maybe!?) :>

P.S anybody else pronounced the topic as vana'diel? (vanya DL)

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Originally Posted by Xenor

They need to stop putting cowls in the game. You spend all that time making a character you like the look of and then you can't even see it.

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except if we can get this cowl like we got in XIII-2.

http://img2u.info/ckgni/i/gde5c0fae.png

Considering crafting/melding is ridiculously overpriced. Go with darklight / AF 2. ;)

i see you are 50 arcanist. if you are scholar then darklight cowl is completely gimp. thats 2 slots you cant have crit on