End game problem, and say no to vote kick! Plz

Ok so before I start on my rant I'll give some warnings first to those about to read.

1. I will try to keep it short but this may get long winded, you where warned
2. These are all my opinions and while we are entitled to our own just know that I won't be changing my mine, just getting this off my chest for all to enjoy it. Since I'm sure other players agree with me and it's nice to know you're not alone
3. Also intended to act as a warning for those who haven't reach end game yet, I will try to post spoilers but if your one of those super picky people who don't like to know ANYTHING about the end game before you get to it then please read no further

So I recently reached end game and completed the main story quest line, last night to be exact. I have noticed a bit of a trending problem with dungeons though, while only a mere annoyance early on in the game it became problematic at end game and downright effected by gameplay experience once I hit the 8 man dungeons.

The problem I speak of is the players, those attempting speed runs to be exact (or just being impatient pricks) I understand this is an MMO (and the first I have ever gotten into and reach game with actually) but the people in this game I noticed seem to keep forgetting one thing about this game. That while it is an MMO, it is also a Final Fantasy game. A series of games known widely for their engaging story lines, dramatic breath taken, and often emotionally memorable cut scenes. All sounds great right? Like the formula for an awesome RPG

Then you get to the duty finder. I was actually reported for "griefing" last night, by half my 8 man team because while doing a dungeon I refused to skip the cut scenes. Being told to "just skip all the content and watch it later in the inn room on your own time."

I'm sorry I thought the time I paid for to play this game was MY TIME. You honestly expect me to believe that in every other final fantasy game you people skip the cut scenes and play through the game then youtube them later to see what you missed!? (Yeah I was told that is apparently what youtube is for)

The game gives a bonus to the entire team for completing it with a first time player to the dungeon in your group, since you get a bonus for my being your party the least you can do is wait the 30secs or so the average cut scene last in this game. Hell even if its a 5min long scene you should wait. Take a smoke break, grab a snack, do some sit ups so you can avoid becoming that fat basement dwelling stereotype MMO gamers are known for. I don't know what blew my mind more, the fact that some people would think that their speed run was more important than a new player enjoying the story or the fact that the other new players to the dungeon said "thats just how the game works, we got used to it"

Well I for one will not get used to catering to people who thing their gameplay grinding is more important than my gameplay experience. The cut scenes where put in the game for a reason, to be watched. So I watch them when the game plays them on cue, I shouldn't be reported or avoided as a player because of it and I'm DAMN glad the vote kick feature doesn't exist in this game. I would hate to think that I can't beat the game without skipping some of its content on my first playthrough because trying to enjoy it leads to me being kicked!

So yes I am advocating AGAINST the vote kick feature for that reason. Auto kick for afk players after 5mins, yeah I'm all for it. Boot the leaches but do not punish players for trying to enjoy the game. If you people really want to do speed runs that bad then please find a group of like minded people and to the duty with them to your hearts content, but if you use the duty finder to get that new player bonus then you owe it to that player to be patient with them and let them enjoy their game, after all you wouldn't get the bonus if they weren't in the group. Least you can do be civil and act like an adult. We're not animals, we live in a society.

Once you do the 8man dungeons for tomes and need to wait each time for the others you will start to bitch about it aswell.
And sorry did you just mentioned you started endgame while all I notice from your posts you doing Castrum and Praetorium dungeons, do some research first before you declare yourself in endgame..

Don't worry, you'll want the kick feature just like everyone else after you have enough people trying to AFK through your dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Deathwhitch

I'm sorry I thought the time I paid for to play this game was MY TIME.

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The 3-7 other people in your group aren't paying, nor playing on their time right?

People can't handle options.

You can choose what dungeon to grind? Do the same one everytime then complain about it.
You can choose to skip cutscenes? Grieve whoever wants to watch it.
You can skip mobs? Don't you dare pull them, nerdrage incoming!
You can buy very good armor with tokens? Not going to chose one, want them all, now!

And then, they ask for vote-to-kick, saying that it wouldn't get abused, that people aren't that bad, etc. Hahaha!

perhaps DF should have options for "speed run" groups and "leave me the @#$% alone, I'm watching a dam cut scene"

/votekick for trying to pad your postcount.

Another poor soul who apparently has never played an MMORPG and thinks they are the center of the entire FFXIV ARR Universe. I will give you this, your post(s) are at least 10 times longer than the other 999 posts complaining "I was playing the game *sniff* and these meanies told me to skip scenes *sniff* and hurt my feelings". It's an MMO (Massive Multiplayer Online) game, you are gong to run into jerks, and often, grow up and learn to live with it. Life lessons delivered to the innocent children.

*edit* I do agree Vote Kick can and will be abused, but is better than dealing with AFK leechers / bad players making dungeon completion impossible. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Originally Posted by Deathwhitch

The game gives a bonus to the entire team for completing it with a first time player to the dungeon in your group

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Unfortunately, this bonus is bonus exp so functionally useless. I would love to see a double stone bonus for running people their first time on dungeons, this is such a missed opportunity by SE I can't even stand it.

The problem is that the same two story dungeons that finish out your story line are also the best source of Philo stones you need for Darklight. I still have not decided if this was divine brilliance or utter madness on the developers parts.

PROS:
Extremely fast queue times for people working on their story quest compared to Cape Westwind and other trials
Geared folks that know the run and will get through quickly
You are almost guaranteed success
CONS:
Expectation that you skip cutscenes upon entering the instance and watch them later in Inn
Expectation that you know the fights (though they are all extremely easy to pick up on as they are happening)

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Originally Posted by Deathwhitch

If you people really want to do speed runs that bad then please find a group of like minded people and to the duty with them to your hearts content, but if you use the duty finder to get that new player bonus then you owe it to that player to be patient with them and let them enjoy their game, after all you wouldn't get the bonus if they weren't in the group. Least you can do be civil and act like an adult. We're not animals, we live in a society.

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Unfortunately, the amount of people running CM for tomes at this point appears to outmatch the amount of people running for story quest. So the expectation is that if you're in the duty finder queue, you're there for a speed run. If you really want a slow run to watch the cut scenes you're better off getting a full party together and queuing that way. Regardless, there is effectively no bonus so your argument is invalid. Though there should be one!

Regardless, neither here nor there as it pertains to a vote kicking tool, and even if it were used to remove players simply because they didn't want to skip a cutscene in CM still the lesser of two evils compared to afk abuse of the current system.

It goes both ways:
If you want a guaranteed speedrun, go organize your own group.
If you want a guaranteed story, non-skipping run, organize a group.
If you use DF, you will get a mixed group. Neither can force the others to play your way, so either accept it or organize your own group where you set the rules.

Vote kick will not be abused if they limit how and when it can be used. I don't think it will be possible to kick people for simply not playing as well, or for watching cut scenes. Most likely, if a player is inactive for a certain amount of time, the kick option will become available. Perhaps a window will pop up saying:

"______ has been inactive for X minutes. Would you like to remove and replace?"

As far as people going through the story the first time, I agree that they should be entitled to watch the cut scenes during the instance. I believe the right to view the content overrides the right to skip it. After all, that's why people are in Revenants Toll shouting for SR parties.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just post 6 times in a row? Have you ever heard of the enter button and that it's used to go down to the next space in the text?

It's really nifty because you can separate out your topics this way without making post after post.

On a more related topic. You have every right to watch those cut scenes the 1st time your in there. If you want to by god do it. But those other 7 people have every right to leave you behind and keep going if they don't want to wait on you.

where do i go to vote? i can't wait to vote yes in favor of having vote kicks

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Originally Posted by Lafier

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just post 6 times in a row? Have you ever heard of the enter button and that it's used to go down to the next space in the text?

It's really nifty because you can separate out your topics this way without making post after post.

On a more related topic. You have every right to watch those cut scenes the 1st time your in there. If you want to by god do it. But those other 7 people have every right to leave you behind and keep going if they don't want to wait on you.

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I know you're trying to come off as being on the high ground with your condescending tone, but there's a 1000 char limit on posts, and you can only bypass that by posting and hitting Edit to paste in the text over the amount. But keep on teaching the basics of paragraph construction while not realizing why the poster actually posted so many times.

I still think SE needs to make it mandatory for people to watch the scenes the first time through, like when you first start the game you have to watch the opening movie the first time.

This will force people to accept the fact that the cutscenes are part of the game. Also anyone who reports someone for watching the scene should be suspended because you know for a fact they grieved someone for it so that is more against the terms than the person who was watching it lol.

FYI OP, you can get around the 1k word limit by simply editing your post. Keep this in mind next time. ;)

I don't think he knew about the post limit and was making multiple post because of the 1000 character limit. I did this til I found out you have to go edit your post to be able to add additional text. but man you guys are quick to attack someone for every little thing they do. The guy said he was new, and by his posting habit that is obvious. You attack him for that, and wrong use of the term "end game". The guy just said he bad experience in the game and came to the forum community only to get this kind of welcome. God no wonder people say the community for this game is horrible

I'm Also new and didn't realize this was a "thing" but yeah I have to agree, not knowing there where people like this in the game as a new player and joining on my last few levels of story, all excited for the conclusion, only to get harassed for not skipping it would piss me off.

Whats worse he wasn't complaining about the complainers in game, but about being reported for not skipping game content, and again I agree thats childish and would piss me off too. Did you guys bother to read his post or did your nerd rage kick in and you just went into attack mode. The game was designed to welcome new MMO players (like Death and myself) to the world of MMO's, its a damn shame the MMO vets in here don't do the same. I agree with him, vote kick should be left only for idle players and leaches, not new comers getting used to how things work, and experienced players should group together to avoid "newbie grief" after all you are experienced enough to know how to do that. Can't expect a newbie to do what you would do, thats just unfair

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Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

I know you're trying to come off as being on the high ground with your condescending tone, but there's a 1000 char limit on posts, and you can only bypass that by posting and hitting Edit to paste in the text over the amount. But keep on teaching the basics of paragraph construction while not realizing why the poster actually posted so many times.

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Alright, so maybe I was a bit hasty with my sarcasm. I'm not so small as I wont admit that. However, I stand by the rest of my statement.

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Originally Posted by Deathwhitch

but if you use the duty finder to get that new player bonus

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FYI.. No one will do that in CM because the "bonus" only applies to XP and CM is a lvl 50 instance. No one is gaining XP from it.

However my opinion on the vote kick feature is that it should be implemented. However you can only use it to kick someone after 3 wipes on the same boss. That way it's not beneficial to vote kick someone for the sake of watching CS but to kick someone that is actually making the group fail. Also after 5 minutes of inactivity from a player a vote should come up to kick them automatically.

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Originally Posted by Seidaku

I still think SE needs to make it mandatory for people to watch the scenes the first time through, like when you first start the game you have to watch the opening movie the first time.

This will force people to accept the fact that the cutscenes are part of the game. Also anyone who reports someone for watching the scene should be suspended because you know for a fact they grieved someone for it so that is more against the terms than the person who was watching it lol.

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I agree with this 100%, its the only way to be 100% sure no one misses any game content on their first playthrough. I'm dreading doing those quest after reading threads like these because my options when I get there are, skip scenes and not know whats going on or why I'm fighting this guy and that guy, or watch the scenes and get left behind to miss fights entirely or whole sections of a dungeon. it's a very unfair position for a new comer to be in and one that NO OTHER final fantasy game in history has forced on players.

If I have to watch that stupid opening scene anytime I reinstall or go play on a friends PC, and have to watch that intro movie everytime I create a new toon or join a new server then why not make it mandatory for all scenes when a first timer is present. True people will still complain but in the end every member of the team still got to experience the same amount of content, and vets still have the option of forming their own parties so they can speed run. Sounds like a win win to me but I am sure someone will nerd rage me next for supporting such a radical idea

So long as watching the cutscene does not count toward inactivity then that would work. In Prae I watched the cutscenes and got pulled through the dungeon. I got locked into cutscene after cutscene pretty much as they ran through and only spent a few minutes moving out of a 30ish minute run. They just kept coming back to back for me and the only choice i would have had was to skip or watch so I did almost nothing but watch cutscenes for the whole dungeon.

This kind of sucked also since I missed half the dungeon essentially. I think that ring should be put on people like when you start an instance for each cutscene. Cant move from the ring till everyone is present.

These Duty finder complaints are hilarious. The answer is simple when it comes to a random match making. MAJORITY RULES. If majority wants to speed run and you don't. TOO BAD. If majority wants to watch cut scenes and you don't. TOO BAD. If you want to be guaranteed to have it your way make your own group of like minded individuals and proceed to do so. Stop being a whinny child.

Vote kick is a much needed feature of this game. I see ppl go afk mid dungeon far top often. They need to impliment anti abuse measures of corset, like no kick until 10 mins in, auto remove or allow kick if a player has not moved/used any skills in a certain time frame, things like that. I have played many games that have a kick feature, it is not abused nearly as often as people would have you believe.

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

These Duty finder complaints are hilarious. The answer is simple when it comes to a random match making. MAJORITY RULES. If majority wants to speed run and you don't. TOO BAD. If majority wants to watch cut scenes and you don't. TOO BAD. If you want to be guaranteed to have it your way make your own group of like minded individuals and proceed to do so. Stop being a whinny child.

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There is no majority in "mandatory" only fair. In fair there is no majority, no opinion, and no one rules. I'll stand behind mandatory scenes because its a fair option. That situation the girl above you described as being pulled from one scene to another and basically watching them for the entire dungeon is just as bad as skipping them all entirely. Why should it be one extreme or the other? Mandatory middle ground, its fair and no one gets reported for childish mess that way. Voicing your opinion on a forum is not childish, reporting a player for not playing the game your way, IS

Game will become F2P before long anyway.

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Originally Posted by Deathwhitch

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For future reference OP, you can make your initial post and then go back and edit it and add as much as you want. That way you can avoid using all your posts in one thread.

I don't play games like this a whole lot because of things like this. There's always those super gamer nerds who forget this is a game and is supposed to be fun. I don't have time to sit at home and stare at a screen all day. I have a life, job, family, and college to worry about. So obviously if I'm making time for this game its to have fun and I'd like to not be bullied like a middle schooler. I'm making the assumption most of us are adults or soon to be so start acting like it people. If you don't want to watch the cut scenes at the end then go fix something to eat, play another game, go to the bathroom, play with your genitals. Just find something to do for the 30 seconds it takes the newbies to watch the cut scenes. Its not that difficult people.

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Originally Posted by CianaIezuborn

Unfortunately, the amount of people running CM for tomes at this point appears to outmatch the amount of people running for story quest. So the expectation is that if you're in the duty finder queue, you're there for a speed run. If you really want a slow run to watch the cut scenes you're better off getting a full party together and queuing that way. Regardless, there is effectively no bonus so your argument is invalid. Though there should be one!

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Screw that, your the one wanting to change how the game is mean to be played by speed running..you are choosing to use an open DF to find a group..if you cannot handle people watching cut scenes than your happy ass can gather a group together in order to avoid that.

These people kill me like them watching a 5 minute cut scene (most are not even 5 minutes btw) is cutting into their speed run SOO much..people need to rethink their lives if 5 minutes gets your suspenders in a pinch.

@OP: Just because they reported you for greifing, doesn't mean it'll stick. The story was put in the game and you were not greifing. Also when the vote kick comes around, the devs have already said it will only be usable on people who are AFK for some amount of time or for disconnected players and that's it. So watch your cutscenes. Enjoy them, I know I do, and to those claiming that I'll complain at the end after I've already been through them ... no I won't. I'll still be watching them.

Speed run check box. It's really that simple. May be a bit longer queue times for players new to the instance but it would be fair for everyone.

Who knows after patch 2.05 (Hot fix) they might change the level 50 dungeons to the point where you can no longer "speedrun" at all.

I quote, " The difficulty for level 50 dungeons will be adjusted."