Seems like there are hundreds of archers at low level now in every FATE group ive been in . At high level they are shouting for Bards for Titan .
Does this mean Bards are preferred option for DPS class ? And if so will Devs be forced to balance game accordingly ? Like allowing casters the ability to run around while casting . Also is it true Archers soon will not beable to attack while moving at same time when PvP patch arrives ?
Bards flavor of month ?
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10-14-2013, 08:15 AMGrailerBards flavor of month ?
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10-14-2013, 08:15 AMSolviteSekai
I've been waiting for this thread for months.
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10-14-2013, 08:17 AMChiramu
Bards aren't as good as they think they are. I have met very few Bards who can pull decent dps. It might just be the most preferred class because it perhaps seems to be the easiest class to dps on.
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10-14-2013, 08:17 AMAlenghil
Bards are fine as they are, once everyone have ilvl90 gear they will have the lowest dps because they don't scale very well with gear.
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10-14-2013, 08:19 AMRyujinUzikin
I think casters should be able to cast while moving, it's unfair for us Bards to be able to avoid shit easy and casters have to suspend a spell to avoid being hit.
However...
With an improvement like that I think it's fair to give Bards dps LB, I hate the fact that when an LB is needed I am tossed aside cause I don't have it. -
10-14-2013, 08:20 AMSolviteSekaiThis is what i like to call a hidden agenda. I put slashes around what this person wanted you to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyujinUzikin
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10-14-2013, 08:22 AMRyujinUzikinIt's a nerf before a nerf for a Bard to have a useless healing LB lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SolviteSekai
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10-14-2013, 08:47 AMSolviteSekai
You are not a DPS. You are hybrid DPS/Support.
I'm sorry you don't get to do everything. -
10-14-2013, 09:16 AMThanMazusEverything excluding tanking and healing, right? :V Speaking of hidden agendas, what's yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by SolviteSekai
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10-14-2013, 09:18 AMMhaericRanger. Please look forward to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyujinUzikin
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10-14-2013, 09:38 AMwhoopeeragonSurprisingly I can tank one of Garuda's sisters very well as a BRD. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ThanMazus
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10-14-2013, 09:39 AMTanayaYes, because they bring strong utility, and are ranged DPS. For Coil, this means they can avoid AoEs far more easily and they can use ballad to replenish MP, as well as be part of silence rotations. Being a ranged class is the biggest factor though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grailer
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10-14-2013, 09:40 AMKal-El
From a tank point of view via threat meter - Full DL and Relic BLM has a higher DPS than BRD - both AOE and single target. Add that with unlimited MP and you have a winner
As stated before BRD seems to peak very quickly gear wise. But again it's usually the player not the class.
I'd still have any DPS on my party as I don't believe there is a "better" option as they bring different things to the table i.e. Movement while attacking, MP/TP Gain, single target LB, AOE LB, Off tank capabilities etc etc. -
10-14-2013, 09:42 AMZumiOn fights that require a lot of movement Titan for example a BRD will then out dps a BLM due to the fact BLM has to stand still to cast while a brd doesn't have to stand still can move out of bad stuff and still be dpsing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal-El
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10-14-2013, 09:43 AMKal-ElExactly! Every class has situational advantages which make them unique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
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10-14-2013, 09:45 AMAramyth
If you took a BLM/MNK/DRG and BRD of equal skill and gear the BLM/MNK/DRG should out DPS the BRD every single time.
It just doesn't feel this way because a BRD is easier to play and so it seems like they are better. -
10-14-2013, 09:45 AMJess72
Bards are great.
Want more magic damage? Foe Requiem.
Party dead? Bards still up because they are so mobile, level 3 limit break, done.
Low on mana? no problem
Low on tp? no problem
need burst dps? no problem
great class. -
10-14-2013, 09:50 AMTilio
as it currently stands i think bards may be a little op when PVP comes out no cast times, shoot on the run melee will be running after them starting a skill when close for the skill to cancel as the bard runs out of range while firing arrows at you the whole time. at least mages are "rooted" with a cast time.
as they say bards advantage is mobility -
10-14-2013, 09:59 AMXenobius
A bit too great, to be exact.
They bring too much to the table, being a ranged DPS class with tons and tons of utility.
In a perfectly static fight where you don't have to re-position yourself every other second a DRG, MNK or a BLM would outperform bards in a blink, but problem is, as soon as you start doing content that matters (think Titan and Coil) you're facing fights where mobility is required on a regular basis, and bards don't lose any DPS while moving.
Fighting a practice dummy, sure.Quote:
If you took a BLM/MNK/DRG and BRD of equal skill and gear the BLM/MNK/DRG should out DPS the BRD every single time.
Outperforming a BRD when combat positioning constantly screws up your casting, GL stacks and combo/buffs is a different matter, unfortunately. -
10-14-2013, 10:00 AMsasakusaku
Most fights require constant movement to avoid one shot mechanics thus a job that can move and DPS constantly means archers are the clear winners when it comes to sustained damage.
Currently, archers do excellent damage and provide top support as well. Perhaps that is too much? I am not sure.
Mean while that caster is getting annoyed having to redo his/her rotations every time floor candy lands on them every 5 seconds and the melee who has to move all the time in order to avoid AoEs/cleaves/tail swipe mechanics....mean while the archers are lolling and jumping around pew pewing without a care in the world. Something has to give imo. -
10-14-2013, 10:08 AMTagihi
i playing the class beacuse i like it, even from 1.0
I like drg and scholar to but i still wanna gear up 1 class at time. -
10-14-2013, 10:15 AMJess72
Don't nerf bards, fix other jobs.
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10-14-2013, 10:22 AMeyloi
That's why I powered a SMN. Bard is fun, but currently too many of them on my server.
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10-14-2013, 10:41 AMRyujinUzikinSometimes people die because there's no LB available, it's just a drag, it doesn't help.Quote:
Originally Posted by SolviteSekai
I've only found myself using LB3 once during an Ifrit fight, never again have anyone needed me to save the day.
But many times, countless times we need dmg LB, and the ones that can use it either can't cause they're dead or running away from aggro, while I stand there with my bow up my ass waiting for a miracle to happen. -
10-14-2013, 11:07 AMReplicaX
Been a Archer since 1.0 beta. Been a Bard since its original patch release.
I am going to add to this quote as ppl keep on thinking this. Coil separates real Bards from button mashing ones that think they are top DPS or a total DPS job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiramu
We are a Hybrid Job, not a Total DPS job. Equally skilled and geared Melee DPS will beat us. The more ppl come to terms with this, the better for the community. Bard doesn't need a nerf, it's been proven countless times in Endgame. -
10-14-2013, 12:20 PMKendall_LawlietFunny coincidende, the one time I've *ever* had to use my bard LB3 was during an Ifrit fight. Never again to be seen or used, yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyujinUzikin
That looked pretty boss though, what with the flames and dramatic Ifrit environment. Great animation for a LB, but sadly, one I doubt I'll get to see again anytime soon.