[URGENT] Game Exploit that need patching immediately DEATH CLAIMING

There is currently an exploit being used by several cheating groups within Eorzea known as Death Claiming.

Essentially what is done is a group of people trying to claim a mob (be it a NM or anything else really) they split up to the mob's known spawn locations and wait.

Once the NM pops they quickly grab it and die; however, if they do not return to the nearest aetheryte their party keeps the claim no matter how far away they are. As long as the dead 'death claimer' does not return. No one else can claim the mob.

The dead claimer waits on the ground until the rest of their party arrives to finish off the mob. This exploit can be easily identified by the fact that the 'claimed' mobs remain yellow instead of the normal claimed purple.

In the following example pictures a death claimer can be seen dead on the ground while the rest of his party works on killing the yellow NM group.

THIS EXPLOIT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED:
not only is it terribly unfair but it is a blatant abuse of the game and a violation of SE rules.

Please see the following example pictures:
http://s1088.photobucket.com/albums/...arne/CHEATERS/

I tried this irl but it didn't work.

Yves its not a joke, this is a serious issue over on Fabul and I'm trying to get it patched as soon as reasonably possible. Its making it virtually impossible for anyone but this LS to farm NM's

It's not really cheating.

Besides, you can counter it yourself by aggroing the mob, and leading it away from the dead camper. Then, when the "return to territory" AI kicks in, it will unclaim (if it's far enough away), and then you can claim it yourself.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

It's not really cheating.

Besides, you can counter it yourself by aggroing the mob, and leading it away from the dead camper. Then, when the "return to territory" AI kicks in, it will unclaim (if it's far enough away), and then you can claim it yourself.

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You don't understand, once someone death claims a mob no one but their own party members are able to attack the mobs. War drum doesn't work, warmonger doesn't work, AOE Weapon skills don't work. nothing works as long as the death claimer is still laying there.

I know how it works. After the other player dies, the mob will go back into passive mode. If you then get in its aggro range, it will start to attack you even though you can't attack it. Just run away so that the mob follows you far enough away from the other dead player so that they lose claim.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

I know how it works. After the other player dies, the mob will go back into passive mode. If you then get in its aggro range, it will start to attack you even though you can't attack it. Just run away so that the mob follows you far enough away from the other dead player so that they lose claim.

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That doesn't work either with a single mob it would but with the NM groups only one of the many yellow mobs aggros you, making it impossible to move them all. We tried for 5 minutes to get them to move away while the rest of the death claim party ran from far north of treespeak. Nothing works, and regardless, even ig it was a single mobs and we could try to lure it away, this is still an exploit and a blatant infraction of SE's terms and policies. I want at the very very least for this issue to be patched.

Dude, it happens on every server. Simply out-claim them. Yes, SE should fix this but it has been an issue since the first NMs showed up.

Just report the player when it happens. Do it enough times and SE will do something.

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Originally Posted by Yves

Dude, it happens on every server. Simply out-claim them. Yes, SE should fix this but it has been an issue since the first NMs showed up.

Just report the player when it happens. Do it enough times and SE will do something.

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Do you really believe they will do something based solely on in game reports? I'm sure you know how many dozens of copy-paste GM replies I've gotten related to this, not to mention the HUNDREDS more related to the taru RMT swarms or botting fisherman. They DON'T listen to in game complaints about other players, so I'm trying to get the issue fixed at the source.

Try this link.


Haha I couldn't resist. Do YOU seriously think THIS will fix it? Amigo, we are a long ways off from this being fixed. Prince of Pestilence has been down on four servers since they came back up.

As much as you don't want to hear this, learn to claim. Griefcamp them, match numbers, etc.. It is not a hard thing to do.

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Originally Posted by Yves

Try this link.

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You do know off-topic posts are also against forum rules too don't you? Why can't you take a legitimate attempt to correct an in-game bug, posted in the correct forum, with examples of the bug in progress, seriously? I'm not yelling, I'm not raging, I'm simpling trying to right a wrong by bringing it to the attention of the proper people in the proper manner.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ve-abandonment was the first (of four or five) posts about this that I found, and was posted by Reikia.

Here is what Baccanale (mod) said in the thread Reikia posted about the problem:

"Greetings again, Reika!
Thank you for your patience with waiting for a response to the investigation. After thoroughly investigating the matter, the development team did find this to be a potential problem with the game, and the matter is being worked on at this time. I recommend keeping an eye on both the forums and http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/index.html for any news about any further developments. In addition, it is highly advised that players refrain from replicating this, since it would be considered a very serious violation, and serious action may be taken against players if they are found to be in violation. We greatly appreciate the heads-up! "

I suspect that claiming issues are likely to be part of the new combat system since they haven't been addressed specificly yet.

Well at least they are aware of the issue, however we will still likely need to wait until mid June for patch 1.18 to come out for it to be addressed, I'm just hoping they read this thread as well and see that it is not only an issue, but a serious recurring one. I also made sure to clearly screenshot the specific example of this exploit occurring and those involved, so hopefully they will take that into account too. I'm pretty sure if they took action against the offending individuals it would at least discourage others from attempting it. Even just giving them a firm in game talking to would be enough, Jail is scary, especially when most of them have put a decent amount of time into their characters, they just chose not to claim properly.

That's not the same issue Origamikitsune >.>

This is about people keeping claim on NMs by not returning, not abandoning faction leves and still getting the rewards. I imagine the response would be the same though.

All that needs to be done until a fix happens though is a community rep has to come here and officially state it is a serious violation and that it's a potentially bannable offense. That should scare most of the people away from doing it.

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Originally Posted by Filtiarne

That doesn't work either with a single mob it would but with the NM groups only one of the many yellow mobs aggros you, making it impossible to move them all. We tried for 5 minutes to get them to move away while the rest of the death claim party ran from far north of treespeak. Nothing works, and regardless, even ig it was a single mobs and we could try to lure it away, this is still an exploit and a blatant infraction of SE's terms and policies. I want at the very very least for this issue to be patched.

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It does work, I do it all the time. Try harder.

I think this is hilarous. This guy posted on ffxivpro as well. This is a joke. Learn to claim.

It has happened to us a few times, fair enough if you can't claim and then the other party wipe you have chance of claiming...but if you have some muppet lying dead on the floor and the mobs name turns back to white and looks like it is unclaimed and low and behold you can't touch it because of this exploit! if you don't have a problem with this exploit then you are probably the ones that are using it. This issue needs fixing.

First off if your gonna preach to the Rules from SE how about you Explain that in those Pictures you were Actually attempting to MPk my Team or how badly you suck because you got out claimed by 1 person to your teams 5 at that side.

either Way I appreciate the fact that you once again state a Known issue as well as post your self up to look like a Advocate of Good when in Turn your Pissing on the GM's Leg as your reporting this but Good luck with you and your Adventures

-Kireek

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Originally Posted by Kireek

First off if your gonna preach to the Rules from SE how about you Explain that in those Pictures you were Actually attempting to MPk my Team or how badly you suck because you got out claimed by 1 person to your teams 5 at that side.

either Way I appreciate the fact that you once again state a Known issue as well as post your self up to look like a Advocate of Good when in Turn your Pissing on the GM's Leg as your reporting this but Good luck with you and your Adventures

-Kireek

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I think he is just requesting that this needs to be fixed and I agree. It's not about claiming; it's about a dead body holding a claim over a NM so other's can not get the NM. I would think any legit player would want this issue addressed so that everyone can have fair play on a mob. If you are dead you don't need to still have claim on a mob as you can not attempt to kill it since you are... dead. This thread makes perfect sense to me and I'm glad he brought it to SE's attention.

<.< Ooops on quoting the wrong one. I had like, five windows open about similar things and it was late. Point I was trying to make, is that it has been reported on and commented on by the community mods. A little searching will reveal that.

Would out claiming them be considered a way to battle this "exploit"?

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Originally Posted by cdreamworld

Would out claiming them be considered a way to battle this "exploit"?

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I don't see how anything can battle this except fixing this so that a dead body can't keep hate on a mob.

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Originally Posted by Kireek

First off if your gonna preach to the Rules from SE how about you Explain that in those Pictures you were Actually attempting to MPk my Team or how badly you suck because you got out claimed by 1 person to your teams 5 at that side.

either Way I appreciate the fact that you once again state a Known issue as well as post your self up to look like a Advocate of Good when in Turn your Pissing on the GM's Leg as your reporting this but Good luck with you and your Adventures

-Kireek

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First off I'm going to respond by saying that the death claimer King Tec and 'Super' Kireek here, are both in the same LS that advocates death claiming. Outer Heaven is the name, I suggest avoiding them if you play on Fabul.
Secondly I would like to point out that there are no extra mobs present in any of the photos taken, just the yellow ones you 'claimed' through an exploit that is strictly against every SE policy in regards to game play.
Lastly I would like to mention that we did successfully claim the NM several times before you, thus resulting in King Tec using some attack to claim them, and then proceed to die miserably and lay there while the rest of your party meandered down from the Mun-Tuy Cellars to kill the NM you had no right in killing. The only reason he managed to get the NM was because it quite literally spawned on top of him, however he wasn't skilled enough to stay alive, Even though according to other posters, any THM could hold the group for 5 minutes, apparently not. The fact that you are here trying to defend your actions that are just so blatantly against SE policy is just laughable. Maybe if you chose NOT to cheat in the first place, you wouldn't be seeing photos of yourself and fellow LS members up in a thread like this.

I bet if this particular exploit was a ban-able/suspendable offense, like the one Origamikitsune linked to, people would think twice about arguing against it. This has been brought to their attention in various bug reports, they will get it fixed, possibly when they make changes to claiming.

Hopefully you are correct Reika; however, the fact that it needs to be fixed and likely will be, doesn't make exploiting the claiming issue any more valid. It is still a violation of SE rules and regulations and we need a moderator to at least reply to this thread stating that this type of action is against the rules and that players should not exploit it, similar to the link shared by Origamikitsune, except related to death claiming and not to faction leve abandonment. Also a non cut and paste response would also be appreciated, I know its hard for moderators to reply to every thread, but if they are able to have a conversation in the "let us mark non leve monsters" then I hope they can at least respond to a much greater issue in a more personable way. That way at least SE has an "I told you so" to refer back to when people start to get banned because of breaking the rules, not to mention it will make several other concerned players (including myself) feel much better knowing the issue is known.

Proper bug reporting format listed below after testing the bug on some other mobs.

Platform: Windows 7
ISP: Verizon
Type of Internet Connection: Cable
Internet Connection Speed: 10mbs
Date & Time: 5/15/2011 9:30PM EST
Frequency: When ever someone decides to use the glitch
Character Name: Filtiarne Elite
Race: Roegadyn
World: Fabul
Class/Skill Rank: 50 Marauder
Physical Level: 50
Area and Coordinates: any zone
Party or Solo: Party
NPC Name: none
Monster Name: any monster but mostly NMs
In-Game Time: none
Steps:
1. Form a party and make sure everyone is in the same zone.
2. Run up to the notorious monster and attack it solo and die
3. make sure to keep the targeting recticle on the monster you want to glitch.
4. You are now dead targeting the monster and it is still claimed to your party.
5. It can still aggro other player but they will not be able to engage it.

Hello,

Thank you for your feedback regarding this concern. We are indeed aware of this behavior/mechanic. Development will be deciding how this will be addressed. As usual, please refer to the Official Final Fantasy XIV Lodestone site http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/index.html for any updates or adjustments.
If you would like to provide any additional feedback about claiming mechanics, please feel free to search or create a thread in the general discussion section to post in.

Thank you,
SQUARE ENIX Moderator