Proposition to Bahamut Coil to help other players

I've seen this posted somwhere and I honestly think this is a great idea.

I understand that SE doesn't want us to spam Coil and get geared in 3-4 days and that is fine with me.

But how about this If exemple Player A wins turn 1 during said week, he should be able to go back to turn 1 to help friends, BUT player A would just get locked on Gear drop

So I win turn 1, goes to help my friend do turn 1 and win, well I cannot lot gear since I already won turn 1 that week

DO IT se



Edit : nvm saw the other thread


Need my coffee

"Selling Turn 1/2. 500k any class. All relic+1. Hundreds of runs no wipes. PST"

^ that's the problem.

I have a thread talking about this already you should check out:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ory-job-system.

I agree, it's super annoying I can't help friends or experience the combat on all my jobs, it's the only fun and challenging content where I actually get to play all my jobs to their max potential but I can't do it more than once per week per job.

I hope SE fixes this, because right now it's better to level another character for every job you level over using the armory/job system. Literally nothing different from any other MMO, yet it's a main selling point of the game.

Maybe implementing a class lock wouldn't be a bad idea though in this instance Arcanist would have the advantage of having 2 jobs/two attempts for the price of leveling one class.

Basically what they could do is lock you out of playing on "job a" when you beat said coil on the job but only up to a max of 4 jobs.

So if you have WAR, PLD, MNK, BLM and BRD at 50 and geared for coil, you would only be able to do a run with 4/5 before being locked out of said coil for the rest of the week.

This way players that had maybe leveled a healer, a tank and a DD will be able to rotate with one another or change the party setup to allow others to enter the dungeon if their FC numbers are 12-20-30/lack being divisible by 8 with no leftovers.

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

"Selling Turn 1/2. 500k any class. All relic+1. Hundreds of runs no wipes. PST"

^ that's the problem.

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People hating mercs for no reason again?


That is not a problem, If people don't wanna pay no one is forcing them

My goal is to help friends

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Originally Posted by Whippet

People hating mercs for no reason.

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I'm guessing you didn't hear about the fiasco with some high end FC's sabotaging PUG Titan runs to increase bought runs?

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Originally Posted by Whippet

That is not a problem, If people don't wanna pay no one is forcing them

My goal is to help friends

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You may want to help friends and that's fine and all, but I can guarantee you are a minority in that case. With all the titan sales it's clear as day the majority of this community would rather be out for a quick buck over actually legitimately helping other people. Some try and run people through for free, but for every free run there's atleast 2-3 people that buy their way into a relic(it would be the same for coil if not worse).

people would sell coil runs.

bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

I'm guessing you didn't hear about the fiasco with some high end FC's sabotaging PUG Titan runs to increase bought runs?

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I did welcome to MMORPG

You cannot block people to do stuff just because of some turds

So I would think that there needs to be a change to how Coil works in FFXIV setup currently. This mainly comes from the 1 char all job setup. I personally play BRD and WAR. my BRD runs coil currently, and my WAR will be ready within the week, but I can not run coil each week on both jobs by the current system.

I'd like to see locks be by your job, not by your character. But the issues here is multiple jobs run multiple times and with FC runs you can get all the gear for that first class very fast if the 2nd and 3rd runs are basically the same people and just work to max out first classes. Loot lock when doing 2nd runs and such makes it easier for the others to gear much faster as less people rolling, so this means you need to lose a chest or possibly both if using too many loot locked people (7loot locked and 1 fresh person, should that person get 2 loot or even 1 100%, I say no as it is 1/4 or les you get loot now), which ppl will rage about.

Point is they did the simplest thing they can do for locks, and while it works for now, in the future when most raiders have multiple geared jobs it will suck alot more. in other MMO it is by char, but you have a different char for each JOB so you can raid once per JOB, and this is something I would like to see added, just need to put some checks in so the 1% do not try to cheat the system and make an even bigger gap in gearing.

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

"Selling Turn 1/2. 500k any class. All relic+1. Hundreds of runs no wipes. PST"

^ that's the problem.

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See the thing is why would you pay for a coil kill? 500K for a chance at some loot you can use? People pay for titan because it is 100% chance they get there relic (best wep once +1, and second best currently obtainable since turn 5 allagan weps are not really on the table atm), and the titan fight is actually harder to do the Coil just due to the way lag effects mechanics in that fight.

The only reason to pay for a Coil run is to avoid the hassles of finding a group (which isnt had really) and have a small chance at getting loot you may be able to use. I paid for my 2nd Jobs titan because it wasnt worth my time to find a group of 8 who can all do their job in titan and down him, and i knew i was getting my relic 100%, but I wouldn't pay 1/2 of what a titan run goes for (titan is only 200k on my server) to even have turns 1 and 2 killed simply because the low chance of useable loot (turns 1+2 done for 3 weeks and only got 1 loot, some of my static group has 0 still) and how easy it is to get a group and do coil with. Its just not worth the gil for chances at something you can get from mythos.

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Originally Posted by Whippet

I did welcome to MMORPG

You cannot block people to do stuff just because of some turds

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And that makes it okay... How exactly? Just because they can do it doesn't make it right. I could fill up this whole page with reasons as to why I believe selling runs and such is a bad idea, but hey... If you're okay with it by using the defense of, "Oh, it's alright because people don't have to buy them.", then it's obvious you wouldn't understand even a fraction of my essay on the subject anyway.

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Originally Posted by Whippet

I've seen this posted somwhere and I honestly think this is a great idea.
I understand that SE doesn't want us to spam Coil and get geared in 3-4 days and that is fine with me.
But how about this If exemple Player A wins turn 1 during said week, he should be able to go back to turn 1 to help friends, BUT player A would just get locked on Gear drop
So I win turn 1, goes to help my friend do turn 1 and win, well I cannot lot gear since I already won turn 1 that week

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Make alt feeder groups to supply a main raid. Loot train choo choo.

Also as has been pointed out: selling runs.

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

"Selling Turn 1/2. 500k any class. All relic+1. Hundreds of runs no wipes. PST"

^ that's the problem.

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If someone's dumb enough to pay for it... that's not the fault of everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Trikki

Make alt feeder groups to supply a main raid. Loot train choo choo.

Also as has been pointed out: selling runs.

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Both of these things literally effect NO ONE. Who cares?

Until you can come up with a better reason as to why we can't spam coil but only be eligible for loot once per turn besides "omg people will sell runs and gear up friends by 7 people helping or gear up alts!" then this NEEDS to happen ,and happen NOW. It it RUINING the game for many players(and many more soon) and completely game destroying peoples ability to play all their jobs, play with all their friends and help out friends/fc mates.

A main selling point of this game was "play any job you want on 1 character!" yet the entire end game design contradicts this.

It WILL lose the game subs, people WILL quit from inability to play and gear all their jobs, as well as help out friends/FC mates. No one wants to pay $15/month to be restricted to running the only fun/challenging content ONCE A WEEK on ONE JOB per turn.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Gear up alts? That's not what he means. He means use alts to rapidly gear up mains. As in you do it 8 times and each time one person gets ALL the loot. All in a week. This would push far past the progression SE wants.

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Ok, each personcan get 1 piece of loot per turn per week only or 1 piece of loot per 3 turns per week.

Can we stop thinking up insane scenarios that this would be a bad thing now please? It would make the game 400x better and more enjoyable for EVERYONE.

Gear up alts? That's not what he means. He means use alts to rapidly gear up mains. As in you do it 8 times and each time one person gets ALL the loot. All in a week. This would push far past the progression SE wants.

while it sucks, this would be SUPER abuseable. Clear coil with one group, then swap out 1 person at atime to keep doing it again to gear up individual members of your company/linkshell, or sell spots to people.

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Originally Posted by Whippet

I understand that SE doesn't want us to spam Coil and get geared in 3-4 days and that is fine with me.

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Originally Posted by Whippet

People hating mercs for no reason again?


That is not a problem, If people don't wanna pay no one is forcing them

My goal is to help friends

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But you're fine with people buying it and getting it even easier? What?

I made this thread a while back: Same idea.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ahamut-Coil%21