One thing I've noticed throughout my dungeonsand something that I really felt my first time in Stone Vigil yesterday is... Inconsistent use of Repose and the major impact it has on my tanking. I see a lot of stuff about how the healer shouldn't heal too early and all that but from my experience, this is my biggest issue.
Initial enmity is the most crucial stage of managing a smooth trash monster fight. Normally I'd go in, use Flash one time and use Overpower (aoe cone damaging enmity ability) 2 times. This makes holding enmity rather easy.
The problem is when the healer sleeps the monsters. Or rather, when they don't.
Overpower takes a while to cast so if I press Overpower while the healer is currently casting Repose, then I'mma gonna end up waking up the monster. Therefore I analyze the healer's use of repose and adapt.
Example of patterns:
>Wait a bit until I stop overpower spam and then sleep.
>Let me do maybe one overpower then sleep
>Sleep as soon as I've flashed.
Examples of inconsistencies:
>If you sleep as soon as I've flashed, then I will not use overpower. But not following this pattern adds an unnecessary complexity to the initial phase. If you're all of a sudden not sleeping then I'm now forced to put much of my attention on your casting bar to ensure that I do not time my Overpowers (which I'll start to throw after a few seconds of no sleep) with your repose.
>If you normally sleep 2 monsters, then I'll concentrate on the third but if you decide to sleep only one monster, there's now one monster free that is now building up enmity towards the healer. Is he gonna sleep it? Yes? No? Maybe???
Conclusion: I'm already concentrating on enough things and I don't want have to hesitate and double check the cast bars everytime I'm gonna use Overpower. It's not entirely the healers fault, it's the whole group dynamic thing and lack of communication but it is something many healers I've met could improve on.
Opinions?
Level 41 tank: my experiences of Repose....
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10-13-2013, 08:35 PMDyrstahlLevel 41 tank: my experiences of Repose....
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10-13-2013, 09:11 PMSephyrx
Mark mobs and tell the healer beforehand to Sleep the adds. If he doesn't do it and you struggle then that's the healers own fault. I've never had a problem sleeping monsters even when the tanks wake em up. I don't think you really need to get aggro BEFORE he sleeps. Your DPS should easily be able to kill the first ad before the others wake up. Once the first is down, just blow everything on the second (not CD's lol) and build up that aggro asap. Shouldn't have a problem as long as the healer isn't spamming huge heals.
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10-13-2013, 09:52 PMToranja
I always tell them to Sleep in the beginning. To accommodate, I use Flash.
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10-14-2013, 07:25 AMKal-El
Tell them to wait on sleep.
And use overpower before flash. -
10-14-2013, 11:30 AMJarlax
If I am sleeping I am marking my sleep targets, but then again typically I will make sure tank has stoneskin,-> recast stoneskin ->regen->stoneskin->"keeping aggro low"Cleric Stance-> Holy->Swiftcast->Holy->"aoe stuns so tank takes no dammage" Stoneskin->Cleric Stance->Cure II-> "have agro now"Shroud Of Saints. They die faster this way and I don't drool on myself spamming cure I 8)
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10-14-2013, 07:47 PM16bitBounty
It's my job to wait until you've tagged for me to sleep. You shouldn't have to worry about it.
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10-14-2013, 08:05 PMKyomih
I normally try to adapt to the tank in a pug:
If he marks it's easy for me. I wait until he builds up some enmity then sleep.
As someone else mentioned, you don't need to build up enmity beforehand. I sometimes pull with sleep. Sleep too and the tank picks up the last one that comes towards the group. Keep the others slept and he picks off the others one by one by breaking sleep. Works fine too.
If I notice that the tank keeps using AoE Enmity builders I don't sleep. In most fights it's not even necessary anyway..
I also use a sleep macro which puts a "Do not touch" icon on the mob and also mentions that casts in party chat. -
10-14-2013, 10:21 PMMerlee
My opinion: There is a chat in the game, use it.
You do the same on 3mobs and the healer, too. Tell them for example that you will Flash -> Overpower and then they can sleep the mob that is marked that way.
The Healer might not even know your skills, so you might need to show him one time.
It's not about adapting in that case, you are a team and not a burden to each other. -
10-15-2013, 05:00 PMSerophynMy first time healing in stone vigil I had a blm laugh at me for trying to sleep. Turns out a good bit of those mobs are high on speed/uppers and don't want to sleep till after finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyrstahl
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10-15-2013, 05:25 PMSpritdegel
use flash at will, to keep agroo on sleep targets, and move urself a bit to acomodate the mobs for use ur AE dmg skill. put the sleeping one at your back.
Chat with ur teammates, and,..,. like bruce lee say... be water my friend (adapt). -
10-15-2013, 05:35 PMAnimationIf you have a BLM in your party don't use repose at all, the BLM has a better sleep + they don't have mana restrictions unlike us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serophyn
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10-15-2013, 05:59 PMSerophynThat is true but keep in mind this was my first time in sv , and non of the guides mentioned sleep resistant mobs. So naturally I am going to try and sleep a mob eating me with/without a blm in party, since some tanks can only focus on one mob at a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Animation
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10-15-2013, 06:05 PMSerophynThat is true but keep in mind this was my first time in sv , and non of the guides mentioned sleep resistant mobs. So naturally I am going to try and sleep a mob eating me with/without a blm in party, since some tanks can only focus on one mob at a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Animation
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10-15-2013, 06:47 PMRentisB
I just stopped using Repose because some DPS would use AoE and hit the crap anyway so I gave up trying. When I get a group that's actually focus firing on targets and I'm not with a BLM I will use Repose and it's a lovely time for all of us and makes my life easier healing, but sadly that's a very rare exception in the parties I've been in.
Teach your DPS not to go crazy with AoE right outta the gate and I'd LOVE to sleep something! This game is very similar to WoW(don't lynch me) in the sense of using CC, but people don't seem to realize this.