Easy exp/rankp failing leves: cheating (with possible ban) or not?

First thing sorry for my English.
Yesterday I had a discussion with my LS fellows about players that fail on purpose some rewarding levquests (in particular "Great Hoary Toads" and "Dunesfolk for dinner") in order to repeat them after 24h without trading them back and avoiding the risk of getting other quests (yielding less rank points). We already agreed not to act this way but we still wonder if this behaviour is in any way a violation of the game rules and policies? Or in other words: players using this "cheat" can be banned?
This isn't actually a bug, nor a third party tool cheat... nothing in the game pevents you from failing a leve on purpose, and leves are in fact the common way to gain exp/rank points, it's easy even for a beginner to figure out such strategy... there is also a side effect: players doing this "cheat" lose faction points. It doesn't sound much different from the power leveling strategies on FFXI. We are confused about this and we don't want to risk a pemanent ban of our accounts because we joined cheaters while doing casual leves...
I would like to hear the opinion of the other players but I hope also for a Game Master/Moderator response because as a sack holder of my LS I need to know if I have to complain (and report) such behavior.
Thank you in advance.
Khira Nurhiyo, Divine LS (Bodhum)

here we go again

/popcorn

No. You're fine.

SE is aware of this. To my knowledge, you used to be able to fail a leve, and repeat it right away, without waiting until reset. They changed it to the current setup which they feel is enough. It is not cheating. There will be no banning.

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Should be fine because we're allowed to abandon a leve anyway, its up to u what that reason is for. I do it but I hope they make it so we can't do it any more and make SP pool for all leves equal.

Thank you for your replies and sorry for my useless thread... I was in a hurry to have a response that I did not serch old threads >.< Sorry!

yes, it is acceptable and se has posted on this topic multiple times and have said it is fine to abandon the leve. no worries watch the forums and in less than a week another of this same thread will be brought up.

I love watching this get called a "cheat," "exploit," etc. It's a fair strategy, there's nobody given any advantage over anybody else (except those who refuse on philosophical grounds, but that's their tradeoff to make anyway) by doing leves in this manner. Besides, the people are trading their faction points for SP. It's not like its a 100% win-win situation in using it.

I also radically do NOT hope they level the SP pools for all leves. While some balancing might well be in order, leveling them out will make leves even more bland than they currently are, I think.

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Originally Posted by Aistaraina

To my knowledge, you used to be able to fail a leve, and repeat it right away, without waiting until reset.

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Incorrect. before they added retaking failed leves on reset. Failing a leve be it by timing out or crashing/dcing resulted in the loss of the leve in question and the reward. you had to hope to get something similar on the next reset.

I'm going to stop here before i start geezering around the thread. talking about going up hill both ways in the snow to even see some one else gain sp.

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Originally Posted by Altano

I love watching this get called a "cheat," "exploit," etc. It's a fair strategy, there's nobody given any advantage over anybody else (except those who refuse on philosophical grounds, but that's their tradeoff to make anyway) by doing leves in this manner. Besides, the people are trading their faction points for SP. It's not like its a 100% win-win situation in using it.

I also radically do NOT hope they level the SP pools for all leves. While some balancing might well be in order, leveling them out will make leves even more bland than they currently are, I think.

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Yes quiting a task is like SOOOO heroic. I hope it gets fixed personaly, its making the community not so fun.

Totaly legal thing to do, failing a leve to be able to redo it

the last long thread we had on this originated in the bug forum, AND a dev chimed in and told us it was legal

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Yes quiting a task is like SOOOO heroic. I hope it gets fixed personaly, its making the community not so fun.

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It's also heroic doing the exact same objective leves for the past...7 months, isn't it?

People that 'fail' their leves on purpose sacrifice faction points and any other rewards for stability with their static party. Nobody has to do this, but do not ride on the backs of people doing it, then complain after getting your sp. That seems really self-centered and unfair. Getting the benefits of their sacrifice, then pointing the finger.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Yes quiting a task is like SOOOO heroic. I hope it gets fixed personaly, its making the community not so fun.

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making the community not fun? are you serious? leve parties at this point are one of the few fun things in the game for most people. i know many that only come in in the evenings just to join in a leve party. if it were not for them they would not be coming in game at all.

no... bye...

DAM how many of these are their going to be??? SE said its working as intended. They said thats they designed it that way. So its not cheating. You either get reward or get SP over and over it's players choice.

You don't have to utterly destroy the boy. He asked a question, got it answered. /thread.

The rest of the thread is made up of people shouting at him for making such a thread :p

It's not like there's a thread limit that once we've reached it, we won't be able to make new threads

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Yes quiting a task is like SOOOO heroic. I hope it gets fixed personaly, its making the community not so fun.

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FFXIV is SOOOO real life. For crying out loud, it's a game. Doesn't need to be heroic; needs to be fun. And in my opinion, it actually makes the community more fun, as others have posted, because it makes people want to do leves, giving them something besides obscenely stupid amounts of gil to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Yes quiting a task is like SOOOO heroic. I hope it gets fixed personaly, its making the community not so fun.

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Optimization is definitely a great deal of fun for some players. If it's optimal to cancel a leave, then it will be the most interesting thing to do for those players.

Those players were finding interesting to hit the same mob for 20 minutes without killing him to maximize their SP before. Those players will probably be the one who will only run the most rewarding dungeon if there are multiple of those in the future.

Don't assume your definition of fun is the only one. Think of the crabs.

A lot of players feel its unethical but theres currently no rules against it. If enough outrage over it is presented to SE they might do something to fix it. But right now they are not interveneing because they feel its working as intended. the player is trading off SP gains for money and loot. They dont get both.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Yes quiting a task is like SOOOO heroic. I hope it gets fixed personaly, its making the community not so fun.

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doing the same thing for 7 months isnt heroic either. Nor is being the guy who watches everything unfold in cutscenes. Nor is crafting.
Linking dunesfolk seems to be the ONLY thing people get excited about inbetween patches.

And how exactly is it ruining the community? apparently you dont even play the game so what are you basing it on?

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Yes quiting a task is like SOOOO heroic. I hope it gets fixed personaly, its making the community not so fun.

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If you actually played the game, you might realize these kind of leves parties are one of the last types of "community" left.

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Originally Posted by Aizm

If you actually played the game, you might realize these kind of leves parties are one of the last types of "community" left.

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He said he played in his sig!!!! what u smokin bro :(