Not very important. Did a full clear of AK in nothing by my whitey tighties, and accessories. Also ran with the cnj DL shield. Ran with average heals and dps. I had 5 defense total with protect at one point.
Not sure if that shows how poorly defense scales or how OP PLD cool downs are. Either way I lost a little love for the class last night but I think that has to do with my Roegadyn needing to diet a bit. Fatty.
But seriously, tanking as a PLD pre-coil... Clothing is optional.
How important is defense for a PLD...?
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10-12-2013, 01:32 AMKryzenHow important is defense for a PLD...?
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10-12-2013, 01:34 AMSeriat
And yet I always hear horror stories in my FC about PLDs in full DL that are like pudding. I think this just proves once again skill > gear.
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10-12-2013, 04:58 AMMorbidAngelIn this instance maybe, but DD wise I would have to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seriat
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10-12-2013, 05:34 AMGiantbaneAre you kidding? Any PLD that can find his Shield Oath button already has access to top notch mitigation by just standing still. If he can figure out how to execute his 1-2-3 combo then he's even better off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seriat
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10-12-2013, 09:13 AMCrazyDuck
paladins are fine, other than the lack of AOE attacks or if scorn was on a lower cooldown so it would be usefull,but you have to cycle properly through your cooldowns and use them In the right situations. if you don't then you are as good as dead, paladins are not overpowerd I don't even know what planet you are on to come up with that lol and as for the 1 2 3 combo im pretty sure warriors get a lot more utility than paladins do :) I should know I have a paladin anda warrior :P
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10-12-2013, 11:31 AMReinfeldMore like "Knowing to face all the enemies you're fighting > all." I wouldn't really call that skill. Hate management a proper use of cooldowns is a different story of course, but not what you were talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seriat
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10-12-2013, 01:23 PMTzukumano. are you stupid? PLD is not op with their passive 20% mitigation, and 20%, 40% mitigation from CDs. not op at all. they also dont have a 6s cd like us warriors DEFINITELY have. Your WAR is level 33. you have absolutely 0 experience as an end game warrior. your input here is worth very, very, very VERY little. CD in the right situation? learn the fight. Oh, the boss has a big hit coming up? better pop Rampart so i have 40% mitigation, or maybe ill even use Sentinel, so i can have 60% mitigation. Warrior is definitely on the same level. yea.Quote:
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10-12-2013, 01:48 PMHitokirinomad
I would take it further and point out the aoe threat building using mp instead of tp, the blind, the silence, and the free aoe DoT, pacify, not to mention the str down that PLD get provide FAR more utility than what WAR gets. Because WAR gets nothing but a stun. Maybe some are using Haymaker...but other than that, WAR brings absolutely no utility.
And yes, I have both a WAR and PLD at 50, and I was completely disturbed by how unfinished a WAR seems now after playing PLD. Looking at the 1.0 skill list, it looks like they took everything of tanking utility away. In fact, I can see no reason why anybody would say that WAR is designed to be an offtank, because it's easier to pick up adds as PLD, safer (Blind + Bloodbath + FoF + CoS = Who needs Rampart?), and logically would make more sense for the WAR to fight a single enemy since they have no mitigation against a group of enemies beyond Bloodbath + Vengeance.
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10-12-2013, 03:43 PMPhreakTrolls gonnna trollQuote:
Originally Posted by CrazyDuck
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10-12-2013, 07:40 PMShizzarenYeah, when I am on 200hp, I can just pop some skills and get to max hp again.. Oh wait..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tzukuma
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10-12-2013, 08:23 PMPaikisThen I'm reporting you for hacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzaren
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10-12-2013, 09:06 PMShuon
before this becomes another oh-no-warrior thread...
was the OP serious? does defence value matter so little? cuz if it is i would rather focus on dps armours instead of tanking armours with high def values -
10-12-2013, 09:13 PMPaikisDon't wear damage armour. For the love of baby jebus, don't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuon
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10-12-2013, 09:42 PMSpookyGhostIt only works in OP's example because his HP is high enough without it for that single instance. It's the same thing as that group that did Titan HM in swimsuits. This only works with PLD as they have many cooldowns to mitigate damage and their tanking stance is default 50% damage taken. So as long as you have enough HP to survive a big hit or two, then you can do it in your undies. This is impossible for Coil, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuon
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10-13-2013, 01:38 AMKal-ElLOL you need to teach me that trick. Which skills did you use to get 6-7k HP?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzaren
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10-16-2013, 06:36 AMKryzenPretty much sums it upQuote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost