WAR as viable DPS?

Let me preface this first:

I know I'm a tank.

I know my DPS isn't gonna be epic... Ever.

I play on PS3, and therefore, do not have a parser. I also haven't been able to get much in the way of solid figures from other party members.

I am specifically interested in this as it pertains to the Titan HM fight. It's hard to find a group willing to take a warrior as a tank for this fight, unless the healers are super skilled and relatively overgeared. So, I'm usually stuck with using duty finder... That's ok with me as I've been in DF groups that have gotten him to about 30% and feel that eventually it'll be doable in DF easily. However, I'm curious to know if I'm a viable member of the group or should just jump off and be less of a heals burden.

So, my question is... If a warrior goes into this fight in particular, dressed in AK Disciple of War gear that is tuned towards strength and skill speed (ie. Peltast or Hetoiros), can they be a contributing member to the group? Let's assume that they are dodging what needs to be dodged, etc...

if you're going with Tank, 3 healer, 4 DPS... no Warrior isn't going to contribute enough damage to take away from a slot that could reduce damage (Virus / Rain of Death) or have a melee limit break (dragoon / monk).
If you're going with Tank, 2 healer, 5 DPS... yes you could treat Warrior as a DPS although it would be easier on the party to have a full DPS there instead

I've seen a DPS Marauder before, yes, Marauder and not Warrior. And he parsed quite some high numbers :v. Was always above 250 DPS iirc :c

My friend can do -decent- war DPS, but his marauder dps is really really good, crazy burst with berserk (our whitemage purges the debuff after). His biggest issue is he generates a crazy amount of agro.

So MRD is a better DPS than WAR? Almost sounds silly just the notion of it :s but i wouldn't put it past SE... not one bit >.>

Still haven't used it in actual play, but when I switch to Marauder my strength actually goes down. A few other stats are affected, but none of them go up at all... Am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by MoonMarshall

Still haven't used it in actual play, but when I switch to Marauder my strength actually goes down. A few other stats are affected, but none of them go up at all... Am I missing something?

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More slots for cross-class skills

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Originally Posted by Sindri_Myr

More slots for cross-class skills

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Ahhhhaaaa. Tyvm

Marauder DPS can be decent, but it's extremely bursty. You'll need to be very careful of spiking threat. You also need to be sure to use the major cooldowns when you get uninterrupted DPS time on the boss/gaol (as a sidenote, make sure you have everything up for heart).

All that said, there's no reason why a MRD can't be the 5th dps in Titan.

I got my warrior relic by going as a DD. We had 2 healers, 1 pld tank, 5 DD (including me). The dps was not an issue at all.

The key factor for warrior/Marauder dps is threat. But with the right gear, they can do decent dps.

If you look at marauder potency numbers, they are EXTREMELY high.

Add in multiple cross class cooldowns, and they should play like a positionless Dragoon with slightly lower potency attacks.

Huh, marauder, havent thought about this. Ok, lets just theorycraft a little bit.

Now, we have this marauder, he cant use relic+1, but lets say he has titan axe, DoW 2 star crafted armor full of materia and capped a lot of stats, and DPS access.

Maim 20% damage buff
berserk, 50% damage buff
raging strike, 20% damage buff
blood for blood, 20% damage buff
Then, we have storms eye, -10% slashing resistance, which should be another 10% damage buff?
aaaand internal release


The attack power should shoot to the roof, but how does this compare to a real melee dps?

lets say you have 400 str, which is 400attack power (i took this number cause my drg friend has 450)
400*1.2*1.2*1.5*1.1=950.4

950 attack power. This is probably not as cool in practice, but still, that burst.

It beats any other DPS class during the temporary cooldowns (Berserk + RS + BFB), except possibly a BLM during only Astral Fire stance with cooldowns, but it's weaker at other times.

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Originally Posted by SaucepanKaoz

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That burst is substantial, I know when I was tanking AK speedrun, on the wall with my dps gear setup (garuda axe, DRG Ak pieces and DL STR accys) I had a few 900 crits as a warrior, but the key about that is that it's a burst, not sustained. Overall sustained dps is still solid, but again, as I said, even if we had all the tools a pure dps class has, our limit would be the amount of aggro some of our skills will give (which are our hardest hitting skills like butcher block) and we'd have to hold back our dps/burst so that we don't overtake aggro.

Overall, it's a nice option for warriors, but it won't compare in the overall numbers to other melee classes.

I beat Titan with a dps warrior in our group. Was a DF group as well, only the MT and healer knew each other.

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Originally Posted by MoonMarshall

Still haven't used it in actual play, but when I switch to Marauder my strength actually goes down. A few other stats are affected, but none of them go up at all... Am I missing something?

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Yes, one small thing. The crystal that you equip that gives you your job, whatever it may be, actually has hidden stats on it, not mentioned on the tooltip. Thus you'll notice stat increases when you equip a job for any class.

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Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero

So MRD is a better DPS than WAR? Almost sounds silly just the notion of it :s but i wouldn't put it past SE... not one bit >.>

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It makes complete sense. The class is MRD with a wide array of abilities to choose from!

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Originally Posted by SaucepanKaoz

Maim 20% damage buff
berserk, 50% damage buff
raging strike, 20% damage buff
blood for blood, 20% damage buff
Then, we have storms eye, -10% slashing resistance, which should be another 10% damage buff?
aaaand internal release



lets say you have 400 str, which is 400attack power (i took this number cause my drg friend has 450)
400*1.2*1.2*1.5*1.1=950.4

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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't tested it in this game, but normally these don't stack multiplicatively. So you'd be looking more like:

400 + 400*.2 + 400*.2 + 400*.5 + 400*.1 = 800

Not quite as high but still double the attack power. however, it won't last very long and you're gimped for those 5 seconds after berserk which makes it even worse.

I really wish Warrior/Marauder had more DPS options because I'd really like to play then as DPS.

2 things about the recent topic:
20% damage and 20% str are not the same thing. berserk's 50% attack power is basically 50% more str though
2nd off, a whitemage/scholar can cleanse off the debuff from berserk. my marauder friend doesnt miss a GCD from it because our healer is pro