So I was told I had a 154 dps on titan win.
And I used LB1 on heart and LB2 to kill with full DL and relic +1
I feel like that is really low.. any suggestion?
dragoon's damage on titan
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10-11-2013, 05:01 AMVhyldragoon's damage on titan
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10-11-2013, 05:06 AMEasymodeX
Keep up chaos thrust, disembowel, phlebotomize, and heavy thrust better. Don't drop combos. Use your jumps. Use leg sweep. Don't hit your major cooldowns (Blood for Blood etc) when Titan is going to jump or when he's going to gaol someone (maybe you).
Edit: Oh yeah, don't miss positionals. Stay in melee contact with the boss (doable for 99% of the entire run, except during the grid / 3x3 / "rows" bombs. -
10-11-2013, 05:10 AMpandabearcat
You're a positional!
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Yea I dunno what to say aside from what Easy said, basically...play your class perfectly while avoiding all the kill you mechanics. -
10-11-2013, 05:29 AMVhyl
Ahh.... thank you... what is my dps supposed to be with that gears?
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10-11-2013, 05:30 AMSparhwk
Titan takes a bit of time to understand the flow and where safe zones are with bombs. Long as you live and titan dies then it's all good. It's a survival fight in the first place.
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10-11-2013, 07:12 AMSabaoth
Personally, I'm all up for some parsers. Its fun to see how well you did. Just don't let those numbers turn you away from Dragoon if you are not pleased by them in comparison to others. That would be, in my opinion, the best advice.
Now, more in line with what your looking for, and to give you something to compare to, on a failed attempt on Titan, I did a bit more than 150 DPS (which was the top, so says the parser). I either used LB1 or LB2 on his heart, but we wiped a minute or so after that. I do not have full DL, I am missing the waist and legs and two accessories. Those four slots have AK instead. I do, however, have the Relic +1.
Here's a rotation EasymodeX shared on the Rotation Reborn thread by Ayvar that may help (it works for me):
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Originally Posted by EasymodeX
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10-11-2013, 09:54 AMkillergerms
Yeah maybe its inaccurate because my dmg has been very good. People say drg dps is low but if you can use him right and position yourself well youll prove those wrong.
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10-11-2013, 01:08 PMRilr
Since I've never played a Dragoon at lvl 50 I can't tell whether it's easy or difficult to efficiently dps as a dragoon, but I've seen DRG's having 250+ DPS at Titan runs before so yea, their dps is not exactly low.
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10-11-2013, 01:24 PMVhylI would love to do parser comparison also n learn how to do better, Im passionate about dragoon even if i do low dps, i will stick with itQuote:
Originally Posted by Sabaoth
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10-11-2013, 09:06 PMEasymodeXAim for the >180 range with no limit breaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vhyl
I parsed 170 with a Garuda weapon and full AK gear when I did titan; I probably could have pushed it higher.
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If you're in the 150 range with limit breaks, there's probably a wide range of things you can improve.
In terms of the fight itself, there are a few subtle areas where DRGs can lose DPS time (or gain it back):
1. When titan uses his "find a good spot" bomb (star pattern? scatter pattern? whatever, not the circle and not the 3x3 grid), you can continue to DPS the entire time. Wait for titan to cleave, then stand with the tank. You should maintain 100% contact time during that mechanic.
This is probably worth 1.5% dps for each of those bomb mechanics. (completely random estimate I'm pulling out of my ass)
2. Become familiar enough with the fight that you don't let titan "bait" your cooldowns. E.g. don't use BFB/IR right at the start of heart phase. Wait to see who he gaols first. If you gaols YOU when you use BFB/IR, much sadness.
A similar situations occurs depending on exactly when you use your cooldowns -- sometimes titan can do his jump soon after you hit cooldowns. Learn these times and avoid them. You can lose like 2-5% total DPS if your timing is poor.
3. For gaols, use Impulse Drive on titan/heart, then switch to the gaol with Disembowel (or Spineshatter -> Disembowel if the gaol-ee is at range and doesn't know how to run towards the boss). Immediately placing the DE debuff will significantly amp your damage for burning it down.
For "low HP adds" (like gaol), the value of DE is proportionate to "how early you place it", or rather more specifically "how much base HP the debuff is being applied to". In other words, if you apply DE when the gaol has full HP, DE is going to do a lot of work for you. If you apply it when it's already at half, don't bother.
This is probably worth like 0.2% DPS for each gaol you deal with. (even worse random estimate)
4. Save a DFD/spineshatter to get back into melee after the 3x3 grid bombs.
5. You should be out of contact for circle bombs for a maximum of ~6 seconds. Aim to step away from the central position towards the 11-1 o'clock (with titan at 12) if those are open early. Else aim for 6-9 o'clock when those clear.
6. After you take the damage from titan landing, you can immediately run to him and DPS him. Don't wait for him to reach the tank. Note: if you can compensate for the positional latency, you should be able to start with a Heavy Thrust while titan is in motion.
7. Edit: Oh, this is more along the lines of basics, but be sure you are using Jump as often as is feasible for your comfort, and be sure to use Leg Sweep as soon as it's up. Leg Sweep is worth about 6% of a Dragoon's total DPS. -
10-11-2013, 10:27 PMCasterbridgeI had no clue Leg Sweep was worth that much, I do try and use it but certainly not to the degree I should be, I'll have to work on firing it off more.Quote:
7. Edit: Oh, this is more along the lines of basics, but be sure you are using Jump as often as is feasible for your comfort, and be sure to use Leg Sweep as soon as it's up. Leg Sweep is worth about 6% of a Dragoon's total DPS.
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10-11-2013, 11:40 PMSabaothI still have much to learn. As of yesterday, in a Titan fight, I learned to position myself to my advantage in the X-bomb pattern. Now, the Disembowel on the Gaols is something I haven't done. Everything else I've always tried to do. I actually haven't seen the parser numbers from that fight, but 170 DPS with Garuda weapon and AK gear shows me I still have much to improve upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by EasymodeX
Edit: Thinking about it, I notice I do not use DFD as often as I should, and I do not use BFB often either. It is probably because his stops tend to reach a point where taking extra damage feels suicidal to me. Though using BFB after his stomps may be the way to go. Hmm. -
10-12-2013, 12:39 AMVhyl
Hm...... after I saw all people dps r so far ahead of me n I have better gears kinda butt hurted me.
I keep using leg sweep asap n jump when the time is right. I didnt keep up all the buff n dot. I just TTT.
N only at 154 is really bad. Either they iied to me about the parser or I sux so bad. Gotta d.l it myself for next fight. -
10-12-2013, 12:52 AMEasymodeXDFD is a really small total DPS increase. Not worth focusing on unless you can. Also useful to save as a gap-closer. Only place to optimize it would be if the person who gets gaol'd runs into melee at the boss. DFD's good to drop there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabaoth
In terms of stomps, yeah during the last phase hold it until after he stomps. Everything else is avoidable. If you mis-time it, you can right-click the buff to remove it early. -
10-12-2013, 03:35 AMSonjaRampage
Using Jumps in Titan seems rather dubious to me, personally I never use them in my average rotation as the damage output vs the time required for the action animation to take place (not to mention the position lock which can easily mean game over for you in Titan) just doesn't seem worth it, aside from being a gap closer, and I can't imagine you being that far from Titan to begin with as the arena is progressively smaller, I just don't see it being worth it in this fight...
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10-12-2013, 03:50 AMSabaothIf you Jump (and use Power Surge before in preparation) right after dodging plumes, you are usually (if not always) safe, at least in my experience. It is definitely something you have to become comfortable with. As for Plumes (or Weight of the Land), he tends to do it after his Landslides--regardless of what phase he is in. Sometimes it is immediately after, other times he may stick Stomps in between, but, if Titan Landslides, Plumes is not far away.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonjaRampage
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10-12-2013, 04:14 AMEasymodeX
You can Jump during landslide, during plumes, during certain bombs, during tumult.
Just make sure you do it immediately after you identify the mechanic (and dodge it). This is a case where it doesn't matter that you optimize the jump after Chaos Thrust or any specific attack for example -- if you're doing a Vorpal and plumes land, use it as you step out of the plumes (or wait for later if your gut tells you so, w/e).
Jumping in Titan just comes mostly down to experience and confidence, shrug.
On that note I'd say put your balls forward as long as some other DPS is dying more than you are ;). -
10-12-2013, 04:53 AMLongNu
277 on this fight, despite being trapped multiple times and 7maning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrNqcVOpsIU
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10-12-2013, 07:36 AMSabaothNeat! Thanks for the video. And now to study.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongNu
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10-12-2013, 08:01 AMLongNuMy pleasure. I plan on making more DRG videos for educational and entertainment purposes. Especially when PvP comes out. GL and have fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabaoth