Please give us way to distinguish between new and veteran players (average level)

Can we please have a way for players to distinguish between a new rank 30 player and a veteran rank 30 who also has 5 rank 50s?

The reason I ask is that it's very frustrating when you're trying to rank up and you come across all these players in parties who don't know much (took them 4 days to reach r30) and now they think they're better just because they're 2 ranks above your current one.

It'd sort of be like America's Army, the Honor ranking system where your "honor" would go up with each level. It was a good way to gauge your opponents and to keep from telling your squad mates things they'd likely already know.

I propose that this system would be the collective average of all classes combined and seen as a visible number next to their name. If not a number, at least a symbol representing the collective number of ranks they share between all classes. Sort of like badges you earn.

Thank you,

-Maddix

There's always two sides to every coin.

You might see it as a way to instill a sense of accomplishment and pride in yourself, but others will abuse this system. It would promote elitism. Say we have a new player. He only has a single rank 30, and thus his collective level is low. Then we have a bunch of people with multiple R50s and a high collective. They might not invite that low player because it's obvious he's new. People might discriminate against new players and require a set "Collective" in order to join groups to perform certain tasks.

Similar to what happened with Gearscore in WoW. I think it would cause more trouble than good.

how about a golden star above your head? like FFV :D

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Originally Posted by Endemerrin

There's always two sides to every coin.

You might see it as a way to instill a sense of accomplishment and pride in yourself, but others will abuse this system. It would promote elitism. Say we have a new player. He only has a single rank 30, and thus his collective level is low. Then we have a bunch of people with multiple R50s and a high collective. They might not invite that low player because it's obvious he's new. People might discriminate against new players and require a set "Collective" in order to join groups to perform certain tasks.

Similar to what happened with Gearscore in WoW. I think it would cause more trouble than good.

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Pretty much this. Sorry but not all newbies act as you claim. And it is that attitude that made cookie cutting happen in ffxi. People played a job one way all he way to max level then force this build on others. Using the "i got it to max, i know more then you" statement.

I'd take a "New Adventurer" status like FFXI had, but I wouldn't go as far as ranking people.

I fail to see why that even matters. It's not like you have to know how to play your job to get to 50 in this game... That being said, just take note of who they are, and don't invite them again. Or! God forbid, explain things to them and help them out. Unless they are the arrogant kind that don't take constructive criticism without turning into a troll.

All you need to tell them:
1. Only attack red mob.
2. Press 1 over and over.
3. ???
4. Profit.

It doesnt matter what someone who doesnt know you thinks about your level, regardless of how long you have played they will have thier own opinions, i wouldnt sweat it.

I also find it amazing the amount of 1 1 1 11 players out there, it would never work for me, but then again i usually work with smaller groups and solo, and fight the hardest stuff i can and get decent exp for, so that might be why i actually have to use the majority of my skills.

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Originally Posted by Aistaraina

I fail to see why that even matters. It's not like you have to know how to play your job to get to 50 in this game... That being said, just take note of who they are, and don't invite them again. Or! God forbid, explain things to them and help them out. Unless they are the arrogant kind that don't take constructive criticism without turning into a troll.

All you need to tell them:
1. Only attack red mob.
2. Press 1 over and over.
3. ???
4. Profit.

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[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.]. The OP is one of those skilled players that never WS Djigga. He deserves not only our respect but also an in game title or visual que to lord over us.

Dlck.

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Originally Posted by Aistaraina

I fail to see why that even matters. It's not like you have to know how to play your job to get to 50 in this game... That being said, just take note of who they are, and don't invite them again. Or! God forbid, explain things to them and help them out. Unless they are the arrogant kind that don't take constructive criticism without turning into a troll.

All you need to tell them:
1. Only attack red mob.
2. Press 1 over and over.
3. ???
4. Profit.

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I'm not worried about new people whom I can share insights with. I'm concerned with the rude bossy types who think they're all that and that I don't know anything since they're 34 and I'm 32 at the time etc...

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Originally Posted by Sykora727

I'm not worried about new people whom I can share insights with. I'm concerned with the rude bossy types who think they're all that and that I don't know anything since they're 34 and I'm 32 at the time etc...

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Blacklist them. Or better yet, sit back and watch them fail miserably, then when they die, do /point /laugh and don't raise them. Those people aren't worth your time. If they don't learn to stop being an asshat, and don't learn to play their job, they will not get very far in an MMO. People like that just aren't worth your time.

Although i'll admit, sometimes it's fun to fight with them. Lodestone their profile, then just pull out the good old internet argument of "How many r50's you got?" :D

As Endemerrin, a system like that will cause more harm than good. New players will get frustrated because it will become hard for them to get parties, etc. And not all new players are bad. While not all are great, it's rare I run into someone that makes me go, "Wow, this person sucks."

With the way this game is currently, one sour grape in a full party will not ruin it for everyone. If it were XI on the other hand... you'd be screwed.

No. We don't need more easymode elitism.

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Originally Posted by Aistaraina

Blacklist them. Or better yet, sit back and watch them fail miserably, then when they die, do /point /laugh and don't raise them. Those people aren't worth your time. If they don't learn to stop being an asshat, and don't learn to play their job, they will not get very far in an MMO. People like that just aren't worth your time.

Although i'll admit, sometimes it's fun to fight with them. Lodestone their profile, then just pull out the good old internet argument of "How many r50's you got?" :D

As Endemerrin, a system like that will cause more harm than good. New players will get frustrated because it will become hard for them to get parties, etc. And not all new players are bad. While not all are great, it's rare I run into someone that makes me go, "Wow, this person sucks."

With the way this game is currently, one sour grape in a full party will not ruin it for everyone. If it were XI on the other hand... you'd be screwed.

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It's just a pain these days to get parties together if they're not in your LS, and sometimes you can't help but get these ragtag teams together. I think this system would prevent a lot of problems before leves were even activated. Leadership.

No, your ability to play more and rank all classes doesn't make you a better player.

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Originally Posted by Sykora727

It's just a pain these days to get parties together if they're not in your LS, and sometimes you can't help but get these ragtag teams together. I think this system would prevent a lot of problems before leves were even activated. Leadership.

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this is a case of butting into others gameplay. It won't help. It will only cause issues, getting parties is already hard for everyone unless your in an LS and even then if you start now not too many ppl woth low ranks.

Well i think this game needs all the players it can get.

i know sometimes you get that one "know-it-all" in a party.

but the beauty of FF is that. you have one character and people remember you.

you can chose to play or not with people.

i would like to think that people who play FF are a little more mature then say some

of these other mmo's.

the game still broken and things are still changing. nobody knows everything yet.

everyone ive ever played with in 11 and 14 have been great, thats what makes it

so special to me.

if this game is gona be successful it has to draw new players. things that split the

community isnt good for the game. thats my opinion

I don't view this as splitting the community. Goodness. I'm saying that it's a brand, a badge. I don't want this so I can avoid partying with other members, it's so that people won't need to tell me what to do since they'll know I've been playing since the beginning etc. It's not an ego thing, in fact, it's to avoid it.

You fail to understand the internet then. Give people a badge with a number on it, and it automatically turns into elitism. Higher numbers think lower numbers suck, and don't want to play with them. Lower numbers get screwed over. Despite the fact that it may, or may not be true.

Look at CoD, and their Prestige for example. "Oh i'm 8th Prestige! I'm better than you!". No, you just play way to fucking much. Same thing will happen here.

What you're saying can be accomplished with a simple, "I've been playing since release. I know what i'm doing thank you very much." A badge or whatever is not going to stop some idiot from thinking they are better than you anyways. If they want to run their mouth, they will.

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Originally Posted by Sykora727

I'm not worried about new people whom I can share insights with. I'm concerned with the rude bossy types who think they're all that and that I don't know anything since they're 34 and I'm 32 at the time etc...

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Then it's not really about the new players, you talk about elitists who show theirselves already at lower levels. The ones you want to mark in this case are exactly the ones who will leave out any player with a newbie-mark on their heads. See the irony? I don't think it's a matter of being new or have many 50s really. Will a player who has many 50s give you a warranty of not being a fool? Is it just those players who only have a 34-rank job that act like they were a god sent down to spare our miserable lives?

Just wait until the retooling of gear/stats and they start to really impact our play. Then you'll see the truly terrible side of elitism rear it's ugly head. Every single time I leveled a new job in FFXI I'd have some knob telling me how I needed to play it because he "had it at 75 and knows what he is talkin about". Awesome advice such as trying to be an evasion Ninja "NIN aren't supposed to DD" or the guy telling me I need more Tav Tacos and need to be wearing my AF body while I was leveling PLD.

Just because you have the job at max doesn't mean you are good at it.

It takes the collective of players to figure out the inner workings of a class/job and they share with others so we can all learn to be better at it, sometimes you have to deviate from the "accepted" ways to truly push to that next limit. An informed and well researched player will best anyone who just maxed the job as fast as possible.

Man up and tell them to go away if you don't want to play with them!

Seriously though, tell them rather than saving it for the forums. It's easy enough to discern between those just talking bullcrap and those who really are experienced and know what they're saying.

I don't want/need a label over my head telling me how good a player I am.

I think there should be something optional for new players to let other people know they are new. It would be a good way to help them make friends.

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Originally Posted by Sykora727

I'm not worried about new people whom I can share insights with. I'm concerned with the rude bossy types who think they're all that and that I don't know anything since they're 34 and I'm 32 at the time etc...

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You'd like to know players' personality and behaviours at first glance, just by looking at their characters and not having to interact with them.
No way...

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Originally Posted by Sykora727

I'm not worried about new people whom I can share insights with. I'm concerned with the rude bossy types who think they're all that and that I don't know anything since they're 34 and I'm 32 at the time etc...

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Giving them some kind of signal that you have multiple classes leveled up isn't going to change their personality. People act that way because that's who they are.

I hate these kind of things so im against your idea.

Theres no difference in getting 30 or 50 in a short period of time or in a long period of time, theres no difference in having several 50's or 1 50. I hate this stupid elitism that people think "time" or "more numbers" = better player lol No means you have more free time then the other guy.

Nah, I think that these things should be said, instead of being noticed by everyone.

3-men Party: Camp Horizon, 2 rank 18 newbie and 1 rank 19 elite

NewBie1: "Man, I'm so excited about this one! I wonder how it'll turn out."
NewBie2: "Yeah! We're going to do a mess around there anyway..."
ELite: "Nah, don't worry. I'll gladly give you informational sh*t so we can do it smoothly."
NB1: "Hey, are you pro in this?"
EL: "Yeah, kind of. Having some R50's got me used to this."
NB2: "Hey, that's pretty cool!"

*battle over*

NB1: "Woohoo! We smacked the sh*t out of them!"
NB2: "Yeah! And all thanks to [elite guy]!"
EL: "You're welcome. You've done all the job anyway, so you can be proud of it =)"
NB1: "Awesome. I will add you to my friendlist."

Other than this, if I know someone is elitist rather than newbist, I, like other, would be too selective in who to choose for a funny party or a good raid party. By doing this, it's mostly probable to accept only elitists for a pro thing like HNM hunting or Dungeons&Douchebags and Instances, so the newbies will be out of that content and will never have experience with that.

I'd like to take everyone in my party at the same level, so we can grow together as a party.

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Nah, I think that these things should be said, instead of being noticed by everyone.

3-men Party: Camp Horizon, 2 rank 18 newbie and 1 rank 19 elite

NewBie1: "Man, I'm so excited about this one! I wonder how it'll turn out."
NewBie2: "Yeah! We're going to do a mess around there anyway..."
ELite: "Nah, don't worry. I'll gladly give you informational sh*t so we can do it smoothly."
NB1: "Hey, are you pro in this?"
EL: "Yeah, kind of. Having some R50's got me used to this."
NB2: "Hey, that's pretty cool!"

*battle over*

NB1: "Woohoo! We smacked the sh*t out of them!"
NB2: "Yeah! And all thanks to [elite guy]!"
EL: "You're welcome. You've done all the job anyway, so you can be proud of it =)"
NB1: "Awesome. I will add you to my friendlist."

Other than this, if I know someone is elitist rather than newbist, I, like other, would be too selective in who to choose for a funny party or a good raid party. By doing this, it's mostly probable to accept only elitists for a pro thing like HNM hunting or Dungeons&Douchebags and Instances, so the newbies will be out of that content and will never have experience with that.

I'd like to take everyone in my party at the same level, so we can grow together as a party.

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translating to how it goes

newby: ... (says nothing)
elite: DONT KILL THE LAST IMP I WANAN FAIL THE LEVE
newby: why?
elite: explains

or behast
elite DONT KILL NON RED TARGETS!!! "£%$"£$%£$^£$^

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Originally Posted by viion

translating to how it goes

newby: ... (says nothing)
elite: DONT KILL THE LAST IMP I WANAN FAIL THE LEVE
newby: why?
elite: explains

or behast
elite DONT KILL NON RED TARGETS!!! "£%$"£$%£$^£$^

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newbie Nyeh! Like if I could get it naturally!
elite EVERYBODY WOULD GET IT YOU STUPID SH*T POWDER PIECE OF BUCKET HOLE!!!

uh... ok.

What an elistist piece of garbage this thread is. Here's a big pat on the back to the poster. I hope it makes you feel better. You should really just rank up with your linkshell so you don't have to bother with other players that may crimp your style.

They can just add ranks like 11 did when you completed the main story missions.

Useless suggestion is useless.

If ur pressing 11111 go fight an antling or diremite at level 30 and see how far just pressing 1 will get you. The harderthings u need to use other skills.

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Originally Posted by Speeral

If ur pressing 11111 go fight an antling or diremite at level 30 and see how far just pressing 1 will get you. The harderthings u need to use other skills.

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Just killed one, with 111 oh wait I hit 4 to cure, damn im elite!!

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Originally Posted by Jinko

They can just add ranks like 11 did when you completed the main story missions.

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Now that's a sound suggestion. I don't want anything that will enable people who've played as long as I have but have more time to level more jobs to rub things in my face and think they can tell me what to do on my job because of their specialness. Oh wait that happens anyway, but a badge would just amplify that so no thanks.

Mission ranks however shows how much of the story one's accomplished and was always a good point of reference on who's a veteran and who's not without saying look at my levels noobs.

I can already see the shouts in town.

"Looking for mages level 25 ~ 30 for party, must be [insert needless ranking here]"

I'll have to pass. Newb or not, a jerk's a jerk. Giving them fancy labels just amplifies their ability to be jerky.

We already have a way. It's called "lodestone".

if you are so elitist that you need to check all of a person levels in order to play with him, I'm sure you're well equipped with four monitors all around you, and able to check the website without even having to alt-tab :D

lol using the term *veteran* on this game for this game givin the fact that alot of the population quit and its not even been a few years is pointless since all the changes r gonna make most if not eveyone a newb again.
so its pretty worthless and then there r veterans in mmo's who absolutly have no clue, the word doesnt mean a gd player just that it labels peeps and makes social side to mmo's/mmorpg's harder for the actual new players to get into

Why is everyone on my case? I'm not an elitist or some prick. I AM willing to play with others who are new, but this isn't about me, it's about people who are arrogant who like to boss other players around because they're a rank or two above you but have only been playing a week. See?

This would make it so people can see, "Oh that person has likely done hundreds of r30s before, so I don't need to tell him "Pull, pull" every mob." It's not for me, it's for them.

Please read before posting presumptuous and accusatory remarks against my character.

i think what they are saying is, those players will always be so, whether you have a title or not. Annnd there are also a lot of arrogant and like to boss people and have logged many hours/levels. Really it just wouldnt solve anything

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Originally Posted by Sykora727

Why is everyone on my case? I'm not an elitist or some prick. I AM willing to play with others who are new, but this isn't about me, it's about people who are arrogant who like to boss other players around because they're a rank or two above you but have only been playing a week. See?

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Your suggestion would add to the problem not help it, that's the issue people are having with it.

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Originally Posted by Sykora727

Why is everyone on my case? I'm not an elitist or some prick. I AM willing to play with others who are new, but this isn't about me, it's about people who are arrogant who like to boss other players around because they're a rank or two above you but have only been playing a week. See?

This would make it so people can see, "Oh that person has likely done hundreds of r30s before, so I don't need to tell him "Pull, pull" every mob." It's not for me, it's for them.

Please read before posting presumptuous and accusatory remarks against my character.

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no it isnt about you
its about all the other pricks who will use this sytem to alienate lower experienced players like the do in EVERY OTHER GAME that has a way to do this(gearscore) as other people said