Advise needed for coil turn 4

Hi All,

recently my team progress to coil turn 4. Although there is guide or videos youtube regarding the fights, we still somehow or rather felt very confuse for the fights in our DPS and tank aggro.

Our setup: 1 x pally / 1 x war / 1 x sch / 1 x whm / 1 x drg / 1 x blm / 2 x brd.

Our gears: healers using vanya set / war is 2 pc mytho / DPS and pally using DL set with ilvl70 crafted accessories

phase 1 : cleared
phase 2 : we always have 1 soldier up with full HP or if lucky 70% HP.
phase 3 : we always down dread at last minute when bugs spawned.
phase 4 : in progression....

But if i compare to the "guides" or videos.. it seems that during phase 2 all adds down before dread spawned... this is something really puzzle or confusing me......

Phase 2 fight:
pally tank 1 x soldier / 1 x knight
war tank 1 x soldier / 1 x knight

our blm cant target on pally soldier first as he gets the aggro easily off pally so he target war's soldier first.

The rest of the DPS will focus on pally's knight -> war's knight.

But it always seems that we are not able to down 4 adds before dread spawn.

Any advise or any help needed. pls

TIA!

Try swapping one of the bards for another magic dealer. If you aren't going with more than 1 damage dealer you have to dish out extra damage to get rid of the stoneskin on one of the pair of clockwork mobs every time they spawn.

thanks for the reply!

I understand that the optima setup for DPS would be 2 x MDPS and 2 x PDPS. But we are just trying to see if it is possible to down with 3 phy and 1 mag..... as i seem alot videos the setup is almost same as us, just that they using smn instead of blm.

It sounds like a DPS issue, which is a pretty common problem in turn 4.

Just make sure all your DDs are using optimal rotations and getting the absolute most out of their damage capability and you'll get it down eventually. I'd argue keep the DRG and 2 BRDs over another magic DD since DRGs piercing resistance debuff works well for a 2 BRD setup.

There's nothing wrong with your setup. 3 physical DPS + 1 Magic DPS is fine. Definitely some kind of DPS issue.

thanks for the feedback...

we tried by all means to "enhance" our DPS....

sch using selene...
1 of the brd will sing *something to increase elemental dmg*
drg will cast IDC to enhance piercing dmg....

But still.... the last soldier do not want to die before dread......

headache... :(

The trick is to keep let the main tank kill the knight himself at 30% hp... Kill off the soldier of the main tankard damage the the knight to 30%. Then kill off the other 2... Sch has to use selene

thanks Fightnki1l..

will try using this method tonight....

anybody know how the shield wear off from soldier? Is it like those "mana shield" using raw dmg to break it or is base on knight?

since you guys have 2 bards have one bard to play foe's requiem(+battle voice if your BLM needs more DPS boost) at the soldier/knight phase

yeah! will keep reminding the bard to sing that song..

*sigh* just dunno what went wrong.......

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phase 2 : we always have 1 soldier up with full HP or if lucky 70% HP.
phase 3 : we always down dread at last minute when bugs spawned.

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You're actually on schedule here, so it looks like the first dread is going down slow.

I guess we need to practice more on the outage of DPS.

Normally on phase 3, i see others will have buffer of 1s before 4th phase spawn right?

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Originally Posted by falconix

I guess we need to practice more on the outage of DPS.

Normally on phase 3, i see others will have buffer of 1s before 4th phase spawn right?

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If you're getting the dread in phase 3 down BEFORE the phase 4 mobs drop, you're actually fine, even if the soldier is up a little longer than you might like.

You don't actually need to have time in between the pulls - just can't afford overlap there.

I'd guess your next problem will be TP management, as bard AoE is really expensive - having a bard sing TP during phase 4 is totally fine, as it lets all 3 of your physical dps go a little more nuts.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by falconix

thanks for the reply!

I understand that the optima setup for DPS would be 2 x MDPS and 2 x PDPS. But we are just trying to see if it is possible to down with 3 phy and 1 mag..... as i seem alot videos the setup is almost same as us, just that they using smn instead of blm.

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It is definitely possible, my FC actually did it within one of our groups last night for the second time using only 1 magic dealer. Like I said though, it requires a bit more effort because you are having to compensate for the stoneskin on clockwork mobs if I remember correctly 4 times? throughout the course of the fight and my personal preference when doing anything is making it as pain free as possible. If dps on these mobs is a big issue than this could help. Another big thing is making sure your bards don't burn all of their tp by spamming constant AoE attacks. I have admittedly only tried this fight twice on bard and I was completely horrid on it before I switched jobs and let someone more experienced with the job at the time to come in so I wouldn't hold my party back, but from what I understand you primarily want to make sure you get a few dots off on a few of the mobs in each big group to help proc blood letter often and then throw in a few AoEs while damaging normally. On monk, with a bard as a second physical damage dealer, all I do in those groups is spam demolish on separate mobs, never using any sort of AoEs and they go down fairly quickly. My group however is not the one that did it with 3 Dps jobs, and we normally roll with a smn and a blm so the strategy might need to be altered a bit when in big groups.

This is the exact same setup we use. Downed it with little trouble. when the 2x2 spawns ALL our dps unloads onto the pallys soldier. It doesnt need to be tanked in the slightest, when it pops it becomes stationary and stops doing any substantial dmg. all dps burns it to about.... 30% at which point our BLM finishes it off. physical dps switches to pallys knight blm just gets onto warriors soldier. all the dps then switches onto the soldier same thing to about 30% then burns the last knight.

Its rare for us to have it lower then 50% before the dread spawns. and its always just barely dead before the bugs spawn again.

U sound like your on par with our process. Phase 4 with the aoe spam again as a bard im always running Army's Paeon with battle voice so we can AOE harder. usually have Foe Req up for dreadnaughts, its a substantial dmg increase for our BLM.

Our WHM helps when they can with holy

The last dread is always a race. Just Stack up use sch bubble and BURN

Hi All,

Thanks for the feedback and advise!

We did it till phase 5/6 ytd and we are progressing alot better now!

We keep wiping as it is "new" phase for us and some mistake by the tanks.

I believe we are able to down it tonight!

After some fine tuning of our DPS and bards coordination. We had no issue on phase 1-5 now.

Cheers!